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Tour de France Stage 19 Preview! Alpe d'Huez!

Tour de France, Galibier.

The Tour de France comes at last to the final mountaintop finish of the race with this short, explosive 109.5 kilometer stage running from Modane to the summit of the Alpe d'Huez. The riders will climb the col du Galibier, by way of the col du Télégraphe. Then, it's on to the twenty-one switchbacks of the storied Alpe d'Huez. The climbers, they are smiling.

In celebration of its long history in the race, the col du Galibier appears twice in this year's Tour de France. On Friday, the riders will climb the opposite side from Thursday's finish. Not like that's going to make it any easier, of course.

Friday's stage begins gently with 14 kilometers of descending. The easy times won't last, though and soon it's on to the first of the day's three major climbs. The first, col du Télégraphe runs just under 12 kilometers at a steady pitch of around 7%. It's a nice spot for the early break to go clear and the bigs to stretch their legs. Because the stage is short, the tempo will be hot from the start. "Going with the break" is much easier said than done on a stage like this one.

Star-divide

From the summit of the col du Télégraphe, the road descends just under five kilometers to Valloir. There, the riders come face to face with the mighty col du Galibier. From Valloir, the col du Galibier runs just over 18 kilometers. The climb starts out gently, but soon the road pitches up and stays there. For much of the climb, the gradients hold in the 8% range, and the final kilometer hits 10%. The summit of the col du Galibier sits suspended from the clouds at 2464 meters above sea level.

Around 50 kilometers of descending follow the massive climb to the col du Galibier. The long road to Le Bourg d'Oisans likely rules out an early play for Yellow Jersey, though stranger things have happened. The favorites should arrive together for the finale on the Alpe d'Huez.

The Alpe d'Huez has a deep history in the Tour de France. The climb rises 14 kilometers and the road twists tightly up the mountain. Each of the twenty-one switchbacks are numbered and carry a tribute to a past winner of the climb. Here's Coppi, there's Hampsten, here's Sastre. The steepest section of the climb comes in the opening kilometers which pitch up to over 10%. Then, the road runs more regular as it makes its sinuous way to the summit. The final kilometer through the ski resort is nearly flat, and the finish sits at 1815 meters in elevation.

The Alpe d'Huez is not the hardest climb in cycling, by any means. In cycling, it is said often that the riders make the race. Nowhere is this more true than the Alpe d'Huez, which has played the role of kingmaker at the Tour de France on countless occasions. On the Tour's most recent visit to the Alpe d'Huez, Carlos Sastre attacked from the bottom of the climb, won the stage, and took the Yellow Jersey of race leader. This is how it often goes on the Alpe d'Huez.

On Thursday's race to the summit of the col du Galibier, Andy Schleck went big in the hope of overturning the general classification. Schleck won the stage and improved his position, but could not take the Yellow Jersey off the indomitable Thomas Voeckler. Against all odds, against all predictions, Voeckler still holds the race lead in this Tour de France by 15 seconds over Andy Schleck. Fränk Schleck sits third at 1:08.

More troublesome for the chances of the Schleck brothers, Cadel Evans still sits fourth at 1:12. Evans did the ride of his life on the col du Galibier to roll back the clock on Andy Schleck and keep alive his chances of wearing the Yellow Jersey in Paris. He will have to do it again on Friday. Though Evans holds an ace card in the crono, he can not afford to concede too much road to the Leopard Trek riders on Friday's mountain stage.

The combined pressure of Andy Schleck's escape and Cadel Evans' massive chase ended the hopes of Alberto Contador. Last year's winner now sits seventh at 4:44. It's hard to imagine a resurrection for Contador come Friday when he suffered so desperately on the slopes of the col du Galibier on Thursday.

Damiano Cunego and Ivan Basso are tied on time in fifth and sixth. Perhaps they are wishing about now that this race was the Giro. Basso tried to contribute to the work of Evans on the col du Galibier on Thursday, but he clearly did not have much left in his legs. When Fränk Schleck accelerated in the final meters, Basso lost ground to Evans. Cunego, too, held until past the final kilometer, but lost the plot in the closing meters. Neither seems likely to have the legs to challenge on Friday. Both need big rides on Thursday and Friday to revive their podium hopes.

Of course, there is also the stage victory in play, a massive prize in its own right. No doubt a solid group of climbers will go out early in search of stage glory. Laurens Ten Dam has talked of trying to win this stage since the Tour first announced its course last November. It would be a surprise if the lanky Dutch rider does not try to join the early break. His wife has been camped out on "the Dutch Mountain" these two days past. Apparently, the general store in Le Bourg d'Oisons had already run out of beer.

With the Yellow Jersey still undecided and the stage running just 109.5 kilometers, the break will have a hard job to stay away to the finish. More likely, one of the general classification riders will have his day and win on the Alpe d'Huez. Will the Yellow Jersey at last change hands in this Tour de France? We'll see tomorrow.

Here is the current general classification.

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I really hope BMC can do something special

The way I see it 1:12 may be 20-30 seconds too far. If BMC can’t help, an alliance with Basso or Cunego to get them on the podium?

by kiwi_dude on Jul 21, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know how much Cadel can do on Alpe d'Huez without allies

Unless Evans finds allies on the road (if not Basso or Cunego, maybe Contador or SamSan in exchange for the Alpe d’Huez stage win) who will actually ride at the front instead of hanging onto Cadel’s back wheel, then his best hope might be that the Schlecks are tired and willing to keep the current standings going into the ITT.

The latter scenario won’t eliminate the threat of Voeckler, but when you don’t have the strongest team, you don’t have unlimited options.

MJB

by MJB on Jul 21, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might be able to follow someone else with a reason to ride

eg. Vanendert or one of the three white jersey boys

Cedles big helper Santaromita finished almost last today. I didn’t see the race so I am not sure if he is broken or if he is being deliberately saved for tomorrow.

I am eating crow today, I got schlecked. (Me too JJY)

by platypus on Jul 21, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jelle's hurting though

Hopefully tomorrow will be better for him.

by tgsgirl on Jul 21, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good question

If he’s being saved for tomorrow, someone had a crystal ball out today. if not, he needs to find new employment next year. the same with Moinard. Seriously, where the hell hav these guys been? Cadel is their only job, so no excuses!

Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco

by SpunOut on Jul 21, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sandinista?

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 21, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santaromita, Schär, and Hincapie finished together today

… about half an hour behind the leaders, but ahead of the group containing Cavendish.

For Evans, it would be nice if those three guys can help him tomorrow at least to the base of Alpe d’Huez…

… but if I were LT, I’d be aggressive and test how much BMC can help Evans. LT’s first goal on Friday is to take at least a little more time out of Evans, and their second goal is for Evans to have very little left in his legs when he starts the ITT on Saturday.

MJB

by MJB on Jul 21, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sincere question, How does the LT team drill Evans?
if I were LT, I’d be aggressive and test how much BMC can help Evans…their second goal is for Evans to have very little left in his legs when he starts the ITT on Saturday.

Don’t Andy and Frank have to ride behind the LT train, too? That is, what damage is LT doing to Evans that they are not also doing to their own leaders?

by Chester Copperpot on Jul 22, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can think of a couple of things, 1. send someone in an early break (like Monfort today), to help whichever Schleck attacks 2. force Evans to choose which Schleck he’s going to follow when they get to the Alpe

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Jul 22, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

also

and this is one element I’ve never really gotten, but if your team is setting the tempo to your liking, there’s a chance it’s not to the liking of your rivals.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 22, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have now seen replay and they were there today until the bottom of the Galbier

I saw Cadel call Santaromita forward for a big turn when nobody wanted to chase Andy. Santa did a big, big turn on the front before CAS finally came up to help. It took the other teams a long time to bet organized. At one in the chase I saw three BMC there so they are earning their pay.

I am eating crow today, I got schlecked. (Me too JJY)

by platypus on Jul 22, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Jul 22, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, agree

and a lot of GC guys thinking more of conserving their place rather than trying to move up some spots = more defensive tactics.

by broerie on Jul 21, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

SamSan

usually doesn’t “blow up a little”. I would say he is cooked for the rest of the tour.

by kiwi_dude on Jul 21, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but Vanendert needs to ride

If any of the top five win the stage they are close to taking the jersey. Internediate and finish both important

I am eating crow today, I got schlecked. (Me too JJY)

by platypus on Jul 21, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Close doesn't matter though, right?

I mean, are there any more dottie points after tomorrow?

by tgsgirl on Jul 21, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what Lotto was saying post stage

30 pts to be gained before the final climb, maybe Jelle can go for those and hope the 40 at the line are gathered by someone non-threatening

by tgsgirl on Jul 21, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, I was being lazy about doing the math

where is a rocket scientist when you need one?

I am eating crow today, I got schlecked. (Me too JJY)

by platypus on Jul 21, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frank very likely to get spots

Given his freshness and the calculation to let him go as his TT is awful.
Of course, I would love to see a break get ’em but we have 4 leaders within 1:12 of each other so the bigs will be riding.

by kiwi_dude on Jul 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Think so too

On the break, I mean. I doubt they’ll get enough road.

by Jen See on Jul 21, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree Frank is in a good position for spots

I am eating crow today, I got schlecked. (Me too JJY)

by platypus on Jul 21, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I excpect a Bert attack on Telegraphe

or maybe not expect but wouldn’t be surprised. The guy goes down fighting, even at PN in 09 he attacked early on the last day looking to win, But maybe the knee is causing too much pain. I agree about Samu going as well and the polka dots jersey better be attacking early.

by Phil H. on Jul 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I have a bad feeling about Bert

I was told NOT to ride with a bad knee as you will very soon have a bad back and then power transfer goes to heck. For a long time. I think this ill conceived double (or triple) of Mr Riis may cost Alberto more than a few victories in the coming years.

by kiwi_dude on Jul 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giro/Tour double is entirely Berto's doing

Riis was clearly against it at the start of the year but had little to say in the matter I think.

by Jens on Jul 21, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Riis was against Contador riding the Giro this year. When the idea emerged late last year (the double), Riis said that it would not be possible this year because of lack of depth in the team.

by Uphill on Jul 21, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weak performance all around. Can't recall a single

“excellent” performance from any of the support riders in this year’s TdF.

by Uphill on Jul 21, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just an (im)perfect storm

They have the spaniards so they save them and use up Nicki&Chris in the first 10 stages. Then it turns out the spaniards left their juice on the Zoncolan….
Chris at least tried hard and gave it his all today after the Izoard but he was too alone and badly outgunned by Andy & Monfort. Turns out the only acceptable teamperformance came in the TTT wher they did better than I had expected at least.

by Jens on Jul 21, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

TTT.

Agree, only outperformance.

by Uphill on Jul 22, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pfft

Riis. What does he know? I mean, if he were still managing the Schlecks, no way would Andy still be winning.

Wait…

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 21, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

how much was influenced by the Clen issue?

1. Better ride the giro as will be banned soon
2. Sweet, I can no also ride the Tour

moo

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's how i read Contador's attitude

(plus the Giro parcourse that must have been so tempting for a superclimber)

by Jens on Jul 21, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course from the sponsorss pov, most are likely to be happy at

this point. Full action in the Giro and a serious contender until stage 18 in the TdF.

by Uphill on Jul 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I was the only person who thought

Bert went for the Giro to cover himself for a potential TDF un-invite. Agree about the temptation of the paracours too. He crushed everyone.

"Everybody relax, I'm here."

by Drew Davis on Jul 21, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I’ve always assumed Bert went for the Giro primarily because of the Clen of Damocles hanging over him

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

iirc, agreed to ride the 2011 giro before the 2010 tour was finished

met with zomes (?) on one of the rest days.

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jul 22, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the CAS case being delayed has nothing to do with it?

    Obligations to and pressure from sponsors meant Contador had to ride whatever race he could right up until the delay was announced in the case before the CAS. Once again the sponsors pushed for Contador to be present at the Tour (and I believe that Riis benefited greatly with Saxo extending their sponsorship). It’s ludicrous to suggest it was his plan all along to ride both GTs, unless you believe that he was going to be cleared and he knew it too.
    I haven’t read every scrap that was printed about Contador and his doing the triple but I distinctly remember Riis boasting about there being an intention to do all three Tours and Contador having to clarify that he thought it was too hard to do but he mentioned it as an answer to a question regarding a goal he would like to obtain and that it was just a dream. If Riis had little to say in the matter it is because he has to please the sponsors too, I can’t imagine him not wanting to be known as the last DS to “guide” a rider to the triple.
    Right now Riis has an extended sponsorship contract from Saxo and authorization to spend more on a significant rider or two. Does it seem likely that Riis didn’t grasp the positives to the business side of Contador racing to win multiple GTs? ‘The Giro/Tour double is entirely Berto’s doing" is an idea that belongs in the “round file”.

Super dope. Is that like EPO on steroids?

by flying dog on Jul 21, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

"the riders will climb the opposite side [of Galibier] from Thursday's finish"

“Not like that’s going to make it any easier”

Actually, I think that’s the harder side, especially coming as it does off of Telegraphe.

Maybe Willj can clarify…

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, iirc

the Alpe d’Huez climb still climbs through the town, albeit not as steeply as prior to the town. Didn’t seem ‘almost flat’ to me…

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if changed, but the signed “official” route through town is a quite easy last km – uphill but not hard

+1

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all relative.

Profile has 3.8% and dropping. And for the pros on race day, that’s mostly flat. Tactically, the finish is not where you make the difference.

by Jen See on Jul 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yep,

even for me it seems almost flat versus beforehand

+1

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only just watched Cadel's pre-stage interview (for 18)

He hinted that others had to attack today but they would be keeping their powder dry for tomorrow. I sure hope that is the plan!

I am eating crow today, I got schlecked. (Me too JJY)

by platypus on Jul 21, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think very few of us noticed but for some idiotic, unexplained reason, this stage will not summit Galibier (2642metres), but go through the tunnel (2556 metres) . Nothing to do with weather, always planned this way.

The two best kms of this climb are either side above the tunnel.

booooooo

+1

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Logistics?

Can they get down all the stuff that’s up there now? Not that I know much there was today.

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Jul 21, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, there probably was a lot up there

the podium, press commentary box, & various support vehicles, at minimum. At least, that’s how it was on Tourmalet last year.

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

They put the absolute minimum up there today

I think that everyone had to ride back down again to get to their team buses

by Monty. on Jul 21, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they had team buses on Tourmalet either

though I couldn’t swear to that. But the Tour has an amazing number of support vehicles just for the race not including the teams.

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cassani and Pancani were talking today

about how much stuff had been shunted off to a car park in the valley. The organisers were pretty strict on what got up the hill.

by Monty. on Jul 21, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

turns out there was at least one difference from Tourmalet

watching the replay, I heard Paul mention they were commenting from Lauteret, so I guess much of the press wasn’t up top like at Tourmalet last year.

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

so where are people supposed to get their frietes?

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 21, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditch kid, add frying pan

"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.

by tedvdw on Jul 21, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah right

that thing is gas-fired, right?

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 21, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The kid?

Most definitely.

"Everybody relax, I'm here."

by Drew Davis on Jul 21, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interestingly I saw Contador look like he was going to ride down after the finish

But Cadel got all bundled up and got in a car.

I am eating crow today, I got schlecked. (Me too JJY)

by platypus on Jul 22, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cadel earned a ride.

    Contador had an option I’m sure, ride in car with Bjarne or ride your bike.

Super dope. Is that like EPO on steroids?

by flying dog on Jul 22, 2011 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah

they did this side of Galibier to the Alpe in 2008 over the tunnel (and many other times).

My only guess is trying to make today “better”.

But silly, I think as cuts out some majesty

+1

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, they do it through

the tunnel much of the time in the Tour. Honestly, I can’t remember why, but I think it’s a caravan issue. Sorry, writing fast, took the numbers off the full climb profile.

by Jen See on Jul 21, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

no, I didn’t notice altitude in article, I was just airing my anger at the Tour !!!!

+1

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's pretty even

The Tour visited the Galibier 33 times post WWII, including today & tomorrow:

14x through the tunnel when that was the only passage (1947 – 1974)
11x over the col when that was the only passage (1979 – 2000)
7x over the col when the tunnel was also passable (2002 – 2011, today)
1x through the tunnel when the col was also passable (2011, tomorrow)

"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.

by tedvdw on Jul 21, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

tomorrow is the ONLY time since the over the tunnel option was available (1976)

booooo booooooo

moo

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take that!

Now watch as Will’s mind collapses as he scrambles to reconcile the paradox of his beloved mooo in the hated tunnel.

by Jens on Jul 21, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

speechless, mind collapsed

moo

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicely done.

How long have you been saving this picture?

You don't quit the Tour because of a thick lip--Laurens ten Dam

by majope on Jul 21, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And how did you get that cow in the tunnel?

It’s like a ship in a bottle

"Everybody relax, I'm here."

by Drew Davis on Jul 21, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's like will's sophie's choice

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Jul 21, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh

Because last time it skipped the tunnel, I seem to recall a discussion about hwo it was unusual.

by Jen See on Jul 21, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this the same tunnel...

where Bert got stopped by the cops when he was training? Not allowed to ride through it without a light. So I presume they will have it lighted tomorrow. With what?

by OMJ on Jul 21, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, not the same

The Galibier tunnel is closed to cyclists, normally. Contador wasn’t stopped in or at a tunnel but in a village somewhere on the descent of the Lautaret towards Bourg where there are other, unavoidable tunnels.

"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.

by tedvdw on Jul 22, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

thx for preview

sort of cool that Coppi snuck in a victory here on 1st ever ascent and then it didn’t appear for another 24 years ….. clever Italians

Crowds will be silly huge tomorrow, I hope they have barriers for last few kms

+1

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Weather - official forecast

Similar to today but with a bit less wind. I think this stage will be fast and hard, dropping people everywhere.

Stage 19 between Modane and Alpe d’Huez. A beautiful stage sunny, with a few clouds just above the Galibier pass and the finish Alpe-d’Huez.
Winds : Modane to Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne unfavorable low 10 km / h. Then turn left. Valloire Galibier : favorable breezes 15 km/h. Descent to Bourg d’Oisans Lautaret: unfavorable 20/30 km/h. 21 turns for The Alpe d’Huez: low favorable breezes.
Temperatures : Modane : 22°. Télégraphe pass : 13° Galibier pass : 9° Bourg-D’Oisans : 23° Finish Alpe d’Huez : 10°

I am eating crow today, I got schlecked. (Me too JJY)

by platypus on Jul 21, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Plan to get rich

1. Buy truck. Fill with beer.
2. Drive to Alpe d’Huez.
3. Commence selling said beer.
4. Profit!

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 21, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

You could do stage 1 somewhere in Europe

I’m sure that would be a good plan, though you may get mobbed if you run out of beer too early. Better make it a big truck.

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm

not bad. Might have to work a few German and Dutch forums to guarantee selling out.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 21, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You missed the magic mystery step

I’ll fix it for you.

1. Buy truck. Fill with beer.
2. Drive to Alpe d’Huez.
3. Commence selling said beer.
4. ????
5. Profit!

The idiot formerly known as pkyankeefan! Now in Technicolour!

by Hasan Paliwala on Jul 22, 2011 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Much looking forward to this sprint stage

(over a couple of HC climbs)

"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.

by tedvdw on Jul 21, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

how do you guys thinks this plays out?

or in favor of who? this is like half of today’s stage. It has to favor someone….the schelekcs are said to prefer their racing hard from the begining (according to thejensie) so maybe it favors them.

(I can’t stress enough that it would be a pitty if Cadel looses…can I?)

"Andy Schleck is officially a whinny bitch" - Gizzardfanny

by perezbike on Jul 21, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sucks that someone has to lose

Evans and Schleck both deserve it.

Evans as a sort of late-career sendoff, to truly complete his impressive collection of GT finishes.

Schleck, because Stage 18 was truly a masterpiece for the ages.

"You better have a schleckond helping (of crow). You earned it."

--Paisley

by dees ees en drama on Jul 21, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andy will win the TDF in another month or so

The 2010 version. And will be the favorite next year.

So give Evans his due. He won’t get another chance like this.

by OMJ on Jul 21, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Hard to beat the action today, but we could get close.

by Uphill on Jul 21, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Though, part of me thinks the drama would be enhanced

for the TT if Frank gained about a minute while TV, AS & CE stay about where they are now. I have to admit, I’d love to see TV start the TT in yellow, though I don’t think it’ll happen.

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, just ran head-to-head on Frank and TV for time trials over on CQ

Take out the TTTs and it’s 11 to 5 in favor of Frank—FRANK, I say! And 3 of the 5 TTs where TV was faster were prologues. Didn’t realize Voeckler was quite that bad.

You don't quit the Tour because of a thick lip--Laurens ten Dam

by majope on Jul 21, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many times did TiVo actually try?

And how many times did he think “fuck it, I’ll go slow today and attack the shit out of that tv camera tomorrow.”

by tgsgirl on Jul 21, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

One of the reasons I suspect he hasn’t been climbing at the front of every stage race he’s been in the last two years too. I think his abilities have progressed beyond his “simple” attacking style in the last two years. Really started to see it this spring.

My fruit bowl is full of sex wax--gavia

by Douglas Ansel on Jul 21, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

good

because I doubt he’ll be allowed in too many breaks next year…

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do humans compare against the pros

Taking the numbers from the two etapes done this year:

Etape 2 – Issoire / Saint-Flour – 208 km

Fastest Pro – Sammy Sanchez 5.27.09
Last Pro – Fabrice Jeandesboz 5.48.57
Fastest Amateur (Men) Lilian Jegou 6.48.55
Fastest Amateur (Women) Magdalena de Saint Jean 7.28.27 (23rd overall)

And those fastest amateurs are names I recognise from the pro ranks.

Etape 1 – Modane Valfréjus / Alpe d’Huez -109 km

Fastest Amateur (Men) Jean Christophe Currit 3.39.10 (44.06 up the Alpe)
Fastest Amateur (Women) Magdalena de Saint Jean 4.02.42 (57.47 up the Alpe) (37th overall)

Again not total amateurs. But what do we expect the pros to do.

by Monty. on Jul 21, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

to add a fun additional time check

Emile Georget (in 1911) climbed Telegraphe / Galibier to tunnel in 2h 38m - 34 kms or so

The sick thing about your data above is how amazing the amateur times are ….

moo

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

is it cheating to quote the tour fast/slow estimates :)

but this must be the shortest stage in ages

(In Georget’s defense his stage was over 360 kms ……)

moo

by Willj on Jul 21, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the amateur times are on line

at www.asochallenge.com, but it’s hard to work out which ones count as genuine amateurs. Lilian Jegou rode with Credit Agricole, FdJ and retired from Bretagne Schuller at teh end of last year. Magdalena de Saint Jean is one of those amateurs who picks up a bike late in life and discovers how good she is. She rode for the French team in the Emakumeen Bira just a couple of weeks ago. And Currit not only rode for Gan in 93-95, but he’s also got a drug bust in his palmares.

by Monty. on Jul 21, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty respectable time up the Alpe

I don’t think the pros will be more than 5 minutes faster. Although I wonder if they planned this ultra-short stage up the Alpe because they’re hoping for a new record.

"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.

by tedvdw on Jul 21, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

44:06 on the Alpe d'Huez ascent? Wow.

If that’s measured from the same place as they measure TdF riders on the climb, that’s amazingly fast.

In 1986, when LeMond and Hinault finished together, their time was 48:00.

The time has been under 40:00 in more recent Tours, but it’s possible the riders who did that were, ummm, fueled by something stronger than bread and water. :)

MJB

by MJB on Jul 21, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

This picture reminds me

of how in the past you would hear some of the GC leaders of larger teams talk about how they might want to give up the yellow jersey to force other teams to do the work, and how much more I enjoy watching TV and Europcar fight to hold it.

by Logy on Jul 21, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what's so special.

a surprise long-term holder, cycling at his out limits just for the sake of the jersey. an ultimate win is almost icing.

by Andy K. on Jul 21, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah how can you not love this guy

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Jul 21, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It used to irk me when they did that...

The, we don’t want the jersey thing. It always came off as kinda condescending. Like maybe okay to think like that, but actually say it?

Voeckler is the heart of this Tour, really.

(I’m just going to pretend that photo is copyrighted for now, cuz we’ll lose the comments below it. We do have a legal version on the fp too.)

by Jen See on Jul 21, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

heart of this Tour, great way to put it

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Jul 22, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree

He’s been a good part of the fun watching this year.

"He walked 18."
"New league record!"
"Struck out 18."
"Another new league record! In addition he hit the sportswriter, the public address announcer, the bull mascot twice...also new league records! But, Joe, this guy's got some serious shit."

by Elephande on Jul 22, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bah

I still wish someone had yelled “Assassins!” at the top. Kids… dunno their history.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 22, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody must have some inside

knowledge regarding Fat Schleck’s TT skills.

by Logy on Jul 21, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

He may be able to get a lot of time on Evans tomorrow…

by Le Comte on Jul 21, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd think that Frank will test both Evans and Voeckler

There’s a pretty good possibility that Andy and Cadel will have the deadest legs of any of the climbers on Friday, right? And how could Voeckler still have enough gas in his tank?

LT has a few different options for testing that. One is an attack by Frank from 60 km out, daring Evans to chase all by himself (and he’ll have to do it by himself, just like on Thursday). Another option is for Frank to attack (or counter someone else’s attack) near the base of Alpe d’Huez and force Cadel’s tired legs to chase all the way up the mountain while Andy saves his legs for the ITT. I’m sure they can think of other ways to do it, too.

But I can’t imagine that LT will let them all ride together at a manageable pace up the Alpe — which would let both Evans and Voeckler save themselves for the ITT — unless Andy is having a bad day.

MJB

by MJB on Jul 22, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Cadel will want to drive the pace

From a long way out to try to burn Andy off. I think the only person with fresher legs is Frank, so he just has to stay in touch with him and burn Andy so that Frank has to help Andy.

I am eating crow today, I got schlecked. (Me too JJY)

by platypus on Jul 22, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Alpe Day!

I’m off to bed soon, and you guys will be 800 comments deep before I can get up.

If cobble delusions are wrong, who wants to be right? -JFS PGH

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 22, 2011 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Crazy thought - is it possible for Conta to come back?

How much time can someone make back in 1 stage? He looks spent so its kind of a moot point, but just wondering. I’d like nothing better than a Conta/Schleck battle with furious attacks – Evans and TV can’t attack so its more about following for them.

by Xanadu on Jul 22, 2011 3:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Contador is finsihed as a contender.Even if he was in form, he would not be able

to get the time back he lost on stage 18. The best he can hope for, is a strong performance and perhaps win on the Alpe (very unlikely imo).

by Uphill on Jul 22, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I essentially agree, although . . .

as I type this he and A. Schleck have a minute on the field. Stranger things . . .

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Jul 22, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine what the motivational speech was around the BMC dinner table last night?

I would imagine the climbers in the team got the whole “show up ready to ride the race of your lives or you’re fired!”

Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco

by SpunOut on Jul 22, 2011 3:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure the bosses put it down in no uncertain terms

I’d imagine that Cadel had a few, more humble but still meaningful, words for the troops. Maybe Hinc had a few words as well as there is nobody that knows the value of being on a Tour winning team than Big George.

Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco

by SpunOut on Jul 22, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing stage 18 and now for stage 19!

My stage 19 prediction or shall I say fantasy is Andy Schleck attacking the first climb like yesterday, but Cadel Evans will not let Andy Schleck out of his sight and follows him learning from yesterday’s mistake. But team leopard-trek already has already planned for this and asks frank schleck to follow every more Cadel Evans makes. These 3 will be the leaders and the Schlecks are going to do a 1-2 attack on Evans but it is not working as Evans digs deep and pulls each of them back. 5km from the finish on the final climb to
Alpe d’Huez, Evans attacks to win and gain time on the Schlecks in the greatest TDF stage of all time.

by Ju Ann on Jul 22, 2011 3:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I think

if Andy attacks on Telegraphe a lot of us will be very, very suspicious…

by Le Comte on Jul 22, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

now this just a thought but I don't see LT letting Frank go anywhere

If Fränk goes up the road and Cadel has to chase, there’s always a chance that Andy blows up following Cadel. also, Andy is in a good position to win, so Fränk will have to be there for Andy because if he attacks and doesn’t make take a TON of time on Cadel and should happen to crack, it will be a wasted attack that could benefit Cadel. I say the only way that this works out for LT is if Andy is fresh enough to crack Cadel on the Alpe because Fränk’s not going anywhere except for maybe the stage win.

Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco

by SpunOut on Jul 22, 2011 3:33 AM EDT reply actions  

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