Tour de France: Snapshot
The Tour de France unfolds in a kaliedescope of snapshot moments. David Millar captured one such moment as he drove back to the hotel after the final time trial in Grenoble. Here is what he saw:
If you have tears, prepare to shed them now.
In team car being driven to hotel. Chatting to VdV & spot cyclist on autoroute ahead, dressed in full Europcar kit. Looks oddly familiar.
Chat stops, tell car to slow. As we pass have time to look into eyes of a tired and broken Voeckler. Tragic doesn't come close to describe. — @millarmind
Thomas Voeckler rode out of his mind, this Tour de France. And if there was any doubt how much he truly wanted to win, or at least reach the final podium, what Millar saw there on the road, should put an end to them. Voeckler did a torrid ride these past week, only surrendering the Yellow Jersey on the Alpe d'Huez after the wheels came off on the col du Galibier. It was a crazy thing to set off alone to chase down Andy Schleck and Alberto Contador, but Voeckler couldn't help himself. He just wanted it that badly. The French rider will finish fourth overall on Sunday in Paris, which is a career best for him.
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Damn, its hard to take.
Two big mistakes cost the podium:
Going with Contador and Sam San on stage 17 on the descent and
following the two best climbers in the peloton on stage 19.
Will he get another chance to step up on the podium in the TdF? I don’t think so.
I think that inside he knows that this
was a case of good fortune gave him an incredible chance, for the second time let’s not forget, but that he is not and never will be a true GC contender.
He rode a massive rollercoaster ride and it must be tough, but from the outset he must have known that this day was coming. Sure the delay probably made it hurt more, but his fall from the top 3 was inevitable…. wasn’t it?
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Well, yes... it was inevitable
But I would like to think that the whole experience, shattering though it might be in the short term, may have opened his eyes to capabilities he didn’t realize he had. As much heart as Voeckler has, he had to have the physical capability to climb those mountains. And clearly that’s there. If he orients his training toward the GC side of things, he might be able to make the jump up.
Anyway, in a sport full of remarkable people, he’s one of the most remarkable. (And kudos to Millar, BTW, for the empathetic moment.)
My second place behind Contador is worth a lot--Michele Scarponi
He didn't do a bad TT at all today, either.
"I’m hoping for the Mortirolo-Gavia combination, then we can ride down to Bormio for ice cream." Emma Pooley on the Giro Donne
Surprisingly good TT.
The man is a great rider. One of the most entertaining in the peloton today.
GC moving forward. Maybe, but next time he will not get into breaks
very easily, certainly not any that will work. I hope he gets another chance to podium, but I really doubt it.
Take away the break (and not breakS)
That’s 4 min off, that puts him 7th between Cunego and Basso. So 7th is not a GC contender? And that’s without all the work he had to do as yellow jersey, and the tactical mistakes that it caused him to make…
The only thing that can prevent him from being a GC contender next year is Pierre Rolland. If Rolland shows good form and Voeckler is a little less brilliant next year, we might see the roles reversed…
by FrenchKheldar on Jul 23, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true you said podium in your post
I agree that this will be difficult to reach…
by FrenchKheldar on Jul 23, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It might take a lighter field for him to make a podium.
This one was pretty well stacked. Or a less climby course.
Interesting, though, that he had really great team support even though he’s on one of the weaker teams.
My second place behind Contador is worth a lot--Michele Scarponi
Lighter field.
Perhaps he can get lucky, but lets not forget how many GC contenders left the race before the action really started this time around.
Voeckler benefited from an accident. Periero benefited from a designed (as harmless) give away.
With the unpredictable way gc teams chase down breaks anything can happen. They might even get better hotels from ASO if they let Voeckler go. Can’t call it impossible, especially as he almost got a taste of the final podium this time..
There are so many aspects to the sport that you have to take into consideration. Cycling is not like math. You can't plan things exactly. - Alberto Contador 24/07/10
This really is just heartbreaking.
But somehow I think that Voeckler has to be remembered for this. There is a lore in cycling that goes beyond the results sheets, and his ride will definitely be part of it. That’s not for nothing, at all.
A bit of déjà vu
There were similar reports about Rasmussen after the disastrous TT in 2005. He was spotted riding aimlessly on the shoulder of a highway in complete distress.
On a lighter note
Sure it’s harsh on TV to have to ride to ride 500 km on his own on the highway to reach Creteil by the morning. I would be tired and broken too :)
For this performance in the Tour...
I got no clue of his past, no idea what future has waiting for him, what anyone thought, thinks or will think of him…. TV will always have my respect and admiration for what he just did…!
He's a hero whatever.
Hopefully looking back in the future he’ll see how amazing he was this July, and feel no regret or sadness. He has everyone’s respect, and he’ll go down in folklore.
"First you have to be cool, after you are cool then you can be strong" -- Davide Appollonio
He's a winner to me.
To me, the winner isn’t just the guys on the podium in the end. Umpteen yellow jerseys and the heart he displayed in ALL the mountains is a major victory to a guy I thought might be good for a stage win.
Yeah right.....
no one suddenly becomes an all world climber, how do you say it in French….dopage?
How did you see his riding as being the product of doping?
He couldn’t keep up with the extreme efforts of Schleck or Contador yet found it possible to just hang on for so many days. Not an “all world climber” but a man with a desire and heart. It’s not without precedent in his own personal Tour history. Now if you have anything other than smearing a good man to offer do so otherwise use some restraint and judgment. And oh yeah, STFU
There are so many aspects to the sport that you have to take into consideration. Cycling is not like math. You can't plan things exactly. - Alberto Contador 24/07/10
He couldn't hang with the "leaders" in 2004
But could this year. I think that says more about the “leaders” than Thomas.
Maybe, just maybe, the tide has turned.
obvious troll is obvious...
…and predictably uninformed.
I’m going to be so glad when some of these clowns crawl back into the woodwork at the end of the tour.
thankfully the trolls seemed to wander out only in the last couple days.
Today was a real drag regarding them though…shame.
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 23, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
really just the one
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
yeah, you're right...I had to walk away this morning...
Got me quite annoyed.
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 23, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
9’35" lead over Armstrong is a big difference than 2:26. 400% due to age and a clean peloton? Je suis bilangue mais comme tous les pays c’est toujours l’autre gars qui dope, ils ont leur scandale national et je dis simplement, il pourrait être Voekler. La pression et la tentation de la tournée, de la célébrité.
The “housewives favourite” the press call him, hmm, sounds kinda like Snow White Virenque.
Bonsoir pour 2011, Le Troll
Troll is right...
Take your vague insinuations over to the CN forums or wherever your kind crawl out of… or just Encoulez!
Calling someone who's well-informed a troll,
just because they bring up doping, isn’t a correct use of the term.
Doping is an ever-present possibility for all of the riders. Any person could reasonably expect to be able to throw out that option on a cycling forum—including a real devotee of the sport, with a great store of knowledge.
We have a ban on talking about doping in live threads (which this isn’t) and a much more nuanced attitude towards how we talk about it in other threads. I find it a little distasteful in what’s clearly intended as an “admiration” post. But not troll-like.
You / we can’t expect everyone to know what the local habits are—this isn’t a private space, no matter how much the longtimers value it. No fair jumping down someone’s throat without explaining why (and yes, you do have to do it a second time in a non-live thread, even if you’ve warned them off doing it in a live thread). Especially if it chases away someone with a cycling memory that encompasses Virenque (and who knows who-all else).
Look, I love it when there’s a love fest. What Voeckler did was epic. What worries me more was that his entire team was so damned good. It actually is hard to explain how so many riders were missed by the big teams, picked up by the wild-card team, and then they, en masse, outrode people like, say, Jens. Largely on the uphills.
This was the best tour I can remember, and the boys in green were a big, big part of that. I want them all to be clean, I want them all to be powered by a potent mix of only chances, second chances, youthful ambition, fraternite, egalite, fresh legs, and all that is Gallic and beautiful. But I would not be desperately shocked to find that some or all of them had prepared in other ways, as well.
Doping does not create “heart” and courage and the will to suffer. I’d bet there are plenty of doped teams who have sucked. When I say that this is one of the many performances that is tinged with worry for me, I’m emphatically not saying they didn’t do absolute heroics on the road. They sweated blood and tears. They all rode well beyond their limits (Voeckler and also the rest of the team). They, and we, will always have that.
But we can’t, and shouldn’t, insist that people with heart and courage can’t possibly be doping. Even if it’s rude to just yell “doper” and then run.
A lot of essentially kind / courageous / loving / dependable people have cheated in one way or another at some point in their lives—on spouses, on tests, in sports. We’re grown ups. We’ve seen the history. We should be able to hear, say, debate and juggle the word “dopage” without melting into hatred soup, nor shutting out people who rain on our unalloyed happiness. (I guess I’m testing this right now…with apologies to any who never even had that thought for a minute).
"BECAUSE THERE’S NO F*CKING SPRINTS." -Cavendish (asterisk added)
It's enormously rude...
…and not so well informed either about attitudes here (and the range of them) or about the riders in quesiton. In fact, it’s really unclear at a certain point who the fuck he’s talking about, Evans or Voeckler. So yeah, I’m standing by troll on this one, or at least so troll-like as to be beside the point, especially given the show up to lob a grenade, toss around so very suggestive but unspecific french, and leave. If that’s not trolling, I don’t know what is.
Eddie K....
you are absolute troll bait!
“rude, not so well informed”
Easy tiger!
It's clear he's talking about Voeckler, as I read it.
Also, there is a thread labeled “Thomas Voeckler appreciation post,” and this doesn’t happen to be it; neither is this a live thread.
We have never, ever had a site-wide ban on doping talk. So it is not at all obvious to the casual visitor that there are shades of “talking about doping.” I’m not saying we should encourage off-the-cuff doping allegations. I am saying that tossing out a doping allegation does not equal “being a troll.”
"BECAUSE THERE’S NO F*CKING SPRINTS." -Cavendish (asterisk added)
why say in 1000 words what you can say in 7?
it’s one thing to think things through clearly, comment rationally, bring up a subject for debate based on facts, etc. It’s quite another to “just yell ‘doper’ and then run,” as you put it.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 24, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I happen to be one of the people who will argue both sides of a debate.
Doesn’t mean that a rational and polite debate can’t be had with someone who starts out making just one side of the argument. That depends, in large part, on how others respond.
Yelling “Troll” and telling someone to run away isn’t actually any higher up on the argument pyramid than yelling “doper” and running away.
We’ll never know if there could have been more to the guy / gal, and I happen to think that’s a pity.
"BECAUSE THERE’S NO F*CKING SPRINTS." -Cavendish (asterisk added)
Calling bullshit on obvious bullshit, especially when the obvious intention of the bullshit...
…is to stir the pot. That’s perfectly appropriate. Debating it is precisely what isn’t.
Did you mean enculé?
Because you seem a little violated…..
didn’t you write above “je suis bilangue”? if there was ever a sentence that proved the opposite of its actual claim, it’s this one :D
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 25, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, it's always the other country's rider who does it, or the rider I don't like
But the temptation you refer to is absent here, really. He never thought himself a GC contender, more a breakaway specialist. He was hero regardless. Unlikely to go to the expense of a full programme in those circumstances. Plus, Bbox was notoriously uninterested in that sort of thing, from what I heard.
Nothing’s impossible, of course, but I’d say it tells you more about the rest of the field vs.2004.
I'm pretty ready to believe it even about those I do like.
Been burned enough, y’know? But I like your argument, I (mostly) buy it, and I hope you are right.
"BECAUSE THERE’S NO F*CKING SPRINTS." -Cavendish (asterisk added)
There’s nothing wrong with discussing doping, but surely you have to bring something to the table other than “he must be doping.” Where’s the evidence, even circumstantial? What facts do you have to support your argument? Anything, other than throwing out unfounded accusations?
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 24, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Now, that's a fine response.
Too bad it’s to me, not to the guy who posited “doper.” And, well, he did actually pose an argument of sorts—not “the guy is too good” (in the abstract) but “the guy is suddenly world class when he didn’t used to be.”
OK, it’s not the world’s strongest argument (unexpected jump in cycling level compared to past performance), but it’s as solid as many other arguments made here. And by being framed as an insinuation, he or she did what we have asked of posters in the past, i.e. NOT made slanderous / libelous assertions.
"BECAUSE THERE’S NO F*CKING SPRINTS." -Cavendish (asterisk added)
false
look up the thread, this response is indeed to csimmons
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 24, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly why I called it what it was.
Besides the fact that it was fucking obnoxious.
He grew better and better over the years.
He had a phenomenal season so far. He was Mister Clean of the peloton. I found it hard to believe he used doping, biiiig fan here. Also because of the coincidence. It’s not that they knew he was getting yellow. So Europcar goal was stagewin which is almost guaranteeded with Voeckler, well eeeh.. he didn’t this year but whatever.. So why the dope?
For reals?
You’re accusing Voeckler of all people of doping?
Bahaahahahahaaha. Sorry, I just can’t help it. It’s too ridiculous not to laugh.
Of all sports, Cycling is a science...
So I’d love to see Voeckler’s #s, does Europcar publish blood values? Or, show me one result he has ever had on a mountain stage. In 2004, he never finished high, he had a 12 minute lead whittled down.
And yes, breaking up a lovefest does not = troll. If so, we need an opposing phrase for the herd like conversations that form in forums. Take offense only if you identify with that.
And bahaha is about an equally ludicrous response as just yelling dopage. Show me the history.
I am just a little tired of the French public always seeing doping as another countries problem. Remember, Virenque was a hero and Armstrong a villain. Nationalism or reason at work there?
True the peloton has slowed down, but being suspicious of ‘surprising’ results is a reflex every cycling fan should have.
I just don’t buy Voeckler’s riding, I have no proof but speculation is a legit form of discourse, c’mon, its a bloody internet forum, not an inquiry, even if you have t-shirts.
However you meant it, thanks. They actually have this thing called data over there. Not just ‘shut up troll’:
“Ride climbs at 5.7 w/kg? He’s probably been doing that his whole career, or at least was in 2004 and is again this year. But it wouldn’t put him in the same GC position at other races. Voeckler isn’t the surprise. Contador, Schlecks, Evans climbing at realistic speeds is the real story.”
Doing some reading on http://www.sportsscientists.com/ I see Tommy’s output is well below what’s credible. I take it back he’s cleared in my eyes. Tho unlike many of the regulars around here I realize my opinion means absolute nothing.
I refuse to believe you're serious...
…if you were, you’d be less likely to demand that people ‘show you’ what is easy for you to find if you look. No kids, this is still obvious troll. Obvious troll demands that people tell him why what’s obviously false about his stupid, but provocative assertions, is so obviously false.
Go away.
DNFTT
My work is done here, I have claimed much happiness and turned light to dark, fallow fields to barren.
Voeckler
Is an experienced rider but had no experience as a gc contender. It really showed with some of his mistakes – especially since he didn’t have a whole lot of room for mistakes.
Anyway I’m blown away at the way he, Rolland and eurocar were able to hang with the bigs. I hope this will wake up the French cycling world that I feel like has been in some sort of opium induced sleep ever since l fignon.
Bravo to the courage of tv, Rolland and eurocar (a very happy and unified te right now)!
by yeehoo on Jul 23, 2011 7:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yeah I don’t get this tweet, the guy exceeded all expectations, including his own, and smoked the TT
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
Well, when a rider greatly exceeds expectations, usually someone raises an eyebrow.
Sometimes they’re right, sometimes they’re wrong, most of the time we never find out for sure.
Whether or not one agrees with the raised eyebrow seems to be a pretty subjective matter, since
there is little objective evidence to be had. I have to admit, seeing Kern, Rolland, and Voeckler all riding out of their skins this season makes me a bit uneasy, but I’m just going to assume the best.
My second place behind Contador is worth a lot--Michele Scarponi
by tgartner on Jul 23, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
was this directed to me? I was referring to Millar’s tweet
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 24, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Voeckler was
Devastated though at having lost the podium. Probably even moreso due to having lost it likely by his mental errors. He said himself that maybe given time he’d look back on this tour and be happy with what they’d done, but he said he was very distraught at having not managed the podium.
by yeehoo on Jul 24, 2011 2:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can only imagine he was devasted. To us his performance was brilliant, but
for Voeckler to land just outside of the podium in Paris was a missed opportunity that may never come back.
yeah fair enough
not seeing him on the podium today will really suck
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 24, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
MY TV Experience (Tifosa was there also)
In 2004 I was on the col de Agnes. After the race went by I rode down to a village and found a tavern with hundreds of bicycles out front and a small TV hanging off the wall. Cyclists from all over the world were riveted to see the finish. LA zipped up his jersey and a Brit yelled out “What a cheeky move!” He then sprinted around Basso for the win to cheers in the tavern. Ulrich finished moments later to polite applause. Then the countdown for Voekler began. When he came across the line still in yellow the place exploded! Cyclists from all over the world were cheering the gutsy guy.
At the 2008 aToC I met TV at the after race party and told him this story. He replied: " I am glad you told me this. It is good for my morale to know that people from other countries cheer for me."
by Chief42 on Jul 23, 2011 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
TV’s awesome and I love that he stayed with his team even though I know he had offers to go to others…
by JustJoshinYa on Jul 23, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
plus weren't we talking last year about how the peloton needed more green?
check
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 24, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
yep great stuff
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 23, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Chapeau to TV!
He truly represented the romanticism of the sport during this Tour. Nicely done.
Thinking hard - really hard - of something witty to say....
I loved Millar's tweets for being a snapshot, as Gav said
… a snapshot of something we don’t typically get to see. Even if you object to Millar’s choice of words (as someone did in the live thread/post-race thread/wherever else it was this was being discussed – didn’t think it was truly “tragic”), or if you have doubts about Voeckler, or figure he must be ecstatic rather than devastated, or whatever – still, Millar’s words convey an image, that of a solitary figure riding down the road after some of the toughest days of his career, after getting close to something he probably never imagined he could do, but didn’t quite make it – a true snapshot of the Tour.
well said
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Jul 25, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions

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