Newbies, Les Anciennes et les autres, ayude bitte
by R Mc on Aug 13, 2011 12:17 PM EDT
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So. I got this here Sports and Ltierature class a'comin' up what I'm s'posed to be teachin' and all (apologies, I'm in the middle of Semi-Tough . .. ), and I want to screen a documentary. A documentary. One. That best introduces cycling to kids who either have no experience of racing, OR know the name of that no good skinny drop-out cross-country kid from Plano East.
English language or subtitles pleases. (And muchas bitter scones in advance.
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Okay, you want a sports/cycling doco...for freshers? What's the purpose?
No doubt, like me you begin with the end in mind in terms of what they will get out of it?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
a sunday in hell
a captivating movie but works for a non-expert audience i think with the way it gradually introduces the riders and their roles and the race
Was my first thought too...
…tho I’m not totally up on the genre.
This one gets my vote, too. Great camera work, excellent score. Tons of Zabel.
Enough Lance, Vino & Jan to take you back 10 years. Suffering. Scenery. Yeah, this is the one.
I'd go with Chasing Legends.
The one thing that gives it an edge is how recent it is—if any of the students get interested, they can hop online and see these same guys racing. And it is a decent documentary.
On the other hand, much depends on timing. If it’s a spring class and you could show A Sunday in Hell the week before Roubaix, that would be awesome.
I'm still young--Andy Schleck
Fall, as in a couple of weeks
I’m gonna show that Louis Malle short doc vive le tour.
Intended to do Sunday in Hell cuz lots of the riders referenced in The Rider are in it; Also thought about Greatest Show on Earth or Stars and Watercarriers, but all of those have extended long cheesy parts.
Thought about just doing some Beyond the Peloton clips, or either the 85 or 86 John Tesh Paris-Roubaixs (I know: super-cheesy music, but the Theo DeRooij snippet is all time.)
Just watched Road to Roubaix and was underwhelmed . . . will check out Chasing Legends.
What I’m looking for is something around 1.5 hours long that illustrates and explains bike racing—not tactics, not race videos, but the whole phenomenon . . .
Belleville Rendez-Vous
(Les Triplettes de Belleville)
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
Nah, too much non-cycling I guess. But it’s grrrreat!
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
Sometimes fiction captures as many essential truths as any documentary.
I’d say “go for it.” And then be prepared to discuss everything from gentrification to Josephine Baker.
"BECAUSE THERE’S NO F*CKING SPRINTS." -Cavendish (asterisk added)
good idea.
Not many commercials give me goosebumps.
"BECAUSE THERE’S NO F*CKING SPRINTS." -Cavendish (asterisk added)
Breaking Away.
Not a documentary, but they should see it!
by GreylockGrinder on Aug 14, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions
Well . . . I've long thought and said that
if you combine Breaking Away with Casablanca, you have all you need to know about pro cycling.
But . . . there’s one documentary I really want to find: Overcoming 2003. Not the one that made Jens! and Carlos Sastre famous. That’s 2004.
There was a similar one made about CSC’s experiences in the 2003 tour. Y’know. The Tyler Hamilton broken clavicle tour. It features, iirc, LOTS of Ole preparing Hamilton, and lots of other great footage. I watched it a couple of times via a streaming link that some guy on the Texas A&M racing team posted whenever it came out.
Then it vanished down the memory hole: POOF!! You can find snippets of the IMAX footage shot about that tour, but I can no longer find links or info. about that documentary.
Maybe in a couple of years, once the paradoxical rehabilitation of riders in the doping age begins, that doc will resurface. I hope so,
Sounds like the IMAX documentary
they made that was supposed to be all about TH 2003 TdF and how his body and brain functioned. Not sure if the original version was ever released but they changed it in post-production to downsize TH’s role since he was caught for doping.
"Wired to Win"
DVD title. Formerly Brainpower: Surviving the Tour de France. Amazon has it.
"I love the guys that everyone else in the peloton hate to see hit the front." sminer
That's not it either.
That’s the IMAX doc—which got re-tooled.
What I’m looking for was titled overcoming, just like the 2004 one, but it focused on Hamilton and the 2003 tour.
by R Mc on Aug 15, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure it's on a cutting room floor somewhere …
"On paper, your team is awesome." -- Pigeons on my WVDS team, and life in general.
It's bugging the hell out of me, as you can probably tell.
imdb doesn’t show it, google shows nothing, BUT I know I saw it . . .
I did too.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Think this might be it
smertens sejr
descirbed as the precursor to Overcoming focuising mainly on TH
or a better description of the link
he Danish Broadcasting corporation documentary from 2003, “Smertens Sejr” – literally “Victory of Pain”.
Essentially a precursor of “Overcoming”; it documents the 2003 Tour de France from CSC’s point of view. It focuses most of all on Tyler Hamilton and Nicki Sørensen (the Danish champion), and their ups and downs during the race.
The film is Danish, without subtitles, but due to the international nature of the team, of course much of the discussion in the documentary is in English.
Thanks. Some of the Sorensen convos would be helpful.
It’s really fun to put this one together with Hell on Wheels . . .
The talk they have after the Alpe stage
along with Riis’ comments after really goes a long way to show why Nicki has been so long with Riis and has done the TdF most years.
Money quote from Bjarne that sums up the whole history of his team comes when he describes the anguish of leaving TH and following Sastre on the Pla d’Adet.
“It tore me apart a bit buuut… as long as I don’t have a guy I know a 100% he can win the Tour there should be room….everyone should have a chance to ride their chance.”
actually the phrase he uses rather than "ride their chance"
is a really good danish phrase “udfolde sig” literally to express one self, meaning to express or fulfill ones potential.
and another request:
What does Ole tell Riis in the scene directly after the Dr examines Hamilton’s collarbone and says “no manipulation, ice”?
csc team 2003 tour
71 Tyler Hamilton (USA)
72 Michaël Blaudzun (Den)
73 Nicolas Jalabert (Fra)
74 Bekim Christensen (Den)
75 Peter Lüttenberger (Aut)
76 Andrea Peron (Ita)
77 Jakob Piil (Den)
78 Carlos Sastre (Spa)
79 Nicki Sorensen (Den)
and full start list
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