TDU Stage 5: Third Thread! Bottom of Willunga Hill. Go Gerro!
by Seahorse on Jan 20, 2012 10:48 PM EST
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Breakaway at about 2 minutes.
Stuart O’Grady – GreenEdge Cycling Team
Takashi Miyazawa – Team Saxo Bank
Nathan Haas – Garmin-Barracuda
Thomas De Gendt – Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
Andrew Fenn – Omega Pharma – QuickStep
Kristof Goddaert – AG2R La Mondiale
State of play at the beginning of the stage
1 Martin Kohler (Sui) BMC 15:03:34 2 Michael Matthews (Aus) Rabobank 0:00:02
3 Oscar Freire (Spa) Katusha
4 Gerald Ciolek (Ger) Omega Pharma-QuickStep 0:00:06
5 Simon Gerrans (Aus) GreenEDGE 0:00:08
6 Daniele Bennati (Ita) RadioShack-Nissan
7 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling
8 Jan Bakelants (Bel) RadioShack-Nissan
9 Eduard Vorganov (Rus) Katusha
There are a number of contenders such as Valverde and GHH at 12 seconds back, so tomorrow will be interesting.
Menglers did some sifting and sorting on Stage 4 and Willunga Hill should do the rest. Michael Matthews is a sprinter who can climb a bit. Gerro is a climber who can sprint a bit. Valverde is better than almost everyone. Kohler's palmares is very thin and I have no sense of him as a rider, except that he's worked hard this week. EBH (who is obviously nervous around kangaroos) is always a force to be reckoned with and Rogers and Hayman will work tirelessly to position him. Others to watch: Any one of the Euskies, Matthew Lloyd, Cam Meyer, Sergey Lagutin(just because), GVA, plus anyone else you want to cheer for. Personally, I'd like Bling to win today...highly unlikely...and Gerro to win the overall on Sunday. It's been a great week of racing,and today should be no different.
There will be live TV coverage. Check your local guides. I apologise for not being able to do a Jens; I can't do time zones. Personally, I'll be with Auntie until the last hour or so. It's more fun than listening to Phil and Paul.
Radio: http://www.abc.net.au/local/players/internet_radio.htm?streamFile=localadelaide&streamTitle=Grandstand's%20Tour%20Down%20Under#cf
Live-ish ticker. It is quite informative.http://www.tourdownunder.com.au/live-feed.htm
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"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
It's a harsh crowd here tonight
taking no prisoners…
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
The drummer from Def Leppard's
only got one arm
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I was interfered with
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
sez who?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
15th
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
How many k's to go? Making these new threads is a challenge for a non-multitasker.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
You're doing a great job, SH.
I’m really impressed.
by KnittingGene on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
+100
This evening could not be in better hands (well, it is evening where I am at least)
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Thanks you two. I'm so excited at the huge increase in PdC members happy to watch it. You guys make the race.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Nice. I miss it today.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I've got Haas in my CN team, so he won't hang on.
Just saying.
Oh, you're perfect suited to the mental anguish of VDS then.
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
"Suitcase of courage"!
bong hit and shot of whiskey!
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
That's it, I'm bribing someone at the airlines to misplace paul's suitcase of courage...
…and redirect it to Antarctica.
But Antarctica is awesome.
Can’t we send it somewhere shit, like Adelaide? (too soon?)
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Haas is looking very good.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Some of those guys on the front of the group are looking very comfortable
Just tapping it out.
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
yes, but 64% of us will put him on their VDS team based on this ride alone
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
by PopUp Rolen on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm waiting for flatty to identify the best new kiddie on the block.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Phil is drunker than I am.
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
he's not drunker than me
but he’s more of a bellend
ATOC
they say it all the time on the commentary.
by ZoeRochelle on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
well NOW it is...
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
Note the lower case 'g'
That’s important.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
There's some rather talented 'kiddies' here. Did you see the queen's crown on the road?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
LOL...Coffe time ruthann?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
wow this is fun stuff all this live video cycling and all - who invented this silliness??
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
silliness being the operative term...
too much alcohol in the pdc peloton
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Is that even possible?
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Lance?
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
Without dope
Dope, on the other hand…
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
How's your pick the next time up
this Old Willunga?
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
Valv Piti must be feeling good
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
crap, we gotta talk about that guy again
"Race radios in Cat 4?"
by gravel road on Jan 20, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
hmm I thought no D word discusion was the rule? double-standard I think? and you can say piti but I can't talk D? double standard again guys be consistent please
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Peter, please don't drag this out. You're almost wilfully misunderstanding.
When the race is over, I have no doubt we’ll have time and space to reflect on Valverde.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
+1
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
by PopUp Rolen on Jan 20, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, but which G?
That matters.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a London gin man
So Tanqueray. I also have a bottle of Hendrick’s, though,
Tangueray is rubbish! Bombay Sapphire for the win!
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
by PopUp Rolen on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
+1 on the BS
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Best for martinis
Not the best for G&T
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Shucks,
Each of us drinks as we see fit. It’s all fine, as long as I never catch you adding coke to a single malt scotch. (true, but long story).
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Paul Kelly sits along side Winton in my pantheon of the gods.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Saw him in gigs twice last year. Be still my heart.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I feel like Dave Graney never gets the credit he deserves.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, we have to drink together sometime this year
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
We'll try to organise a proper Sydney meetup
Maybe for Flanders or Roubaix (if I can find a bar that’ll show them).
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
There's an awesome cafe in Sawtell that also allows drinks :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Someone's been researching!
We have to make it happen this year. It’s been way too long.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
It would be great. A couple of my ex-students introduced me to it :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I'm hoping to head up your way
Maybe around September/October. When you’re on a break, so I can visit for a couple of days.
(How presumptuous am I!?)
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not presumptuous at all. I'd love it.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Deal
Motorbike, swag and bottles of wine will arrive sometime around then.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent. It's only a little house, but you won't need a swag, and you'll even get
your own bathroom. My library is also big :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I didn't think it was possible to love you more
but here we are… :)
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
And I can cook well!
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Me too :)
I’m going to lock this in… and tell me if there’s anything you need me to bring!
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
ramones lyrics
Tanqueray and tonic’s my favorite drink
I don’t like anything colored pink
That just stinks, it’s not for me
It feels like somebody put something
Somebody put something in my drink
Somebody put something, somebody put something
Blurred vision and dirty thoughts
Feel out of place, very distraught
Feel somethings coming on
"Race radios in Cat 4?"
by gravel road on Jan 20, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Beastly. For whom is Jens! riding? Benna?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
he was born to crush people
"Race radios in Cat 4?"
by gravel road on Jan 20, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, just cos'
Best reason ever.
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Good question, this can't be a finish for Benna?
by uninformed consent on Jan 20, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
He's been having a very good race.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Seriously
the pace is freaking ON!
Look at the gaps opening. There is some serious pressure being applied here
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
rider being dropped from the 30 man split
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
Did you all realise Stuey's dad on the back of the bike with the time gaps?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Gerro there
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
Valverde is going to win I think
Not a big fan
Today's winner is somewhere back around 6th to 10th wheel in that group
Hiding, resting
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Haas is doing a lovely job. I wonder if Peiper's in his ear?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
great ride
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
by PopUp Rolen on Jan 20, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Guiterrez
off the front
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
hopefully he can sit in now
"Race radios in Cat 4?"
by gravel road on Jan 20, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta think Gerro is in better form than Valv Piti
at this point in the year
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
please do not use the word piti as the rule is no D word discussions are allowed to be started or is there a doubles standard rule breakin exception I am unaware of?
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
This is childish.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I can't actually see Gerro?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
that's a good thing
He’s there, just hiding
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Please, anyone but Valverde.
I truly don’t care who.
this
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
by PopUp Rolen on Jan 20, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Bling is my bet for the stage.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
oscarito's in the lead group
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Alessandro Ballan & Martin Kohler
sitting in the front group
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
EVH there?
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
Haas been
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
Beautiful, if not entirely accurate :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
indeed
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
thats your prediction?
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
Oh how happy I would be
to see Gerrans outsprint Pipi!
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
183 Rohan Dennis
good lad
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
He's going to be a very big name in cycling.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Impressive.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Jens Voigt
pulling for?
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
The hell of it
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
machado
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
he's in that little break!
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
Who cares?
it is just great to watch :-)
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
dennis, jiggy, machado, who's the 4th?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
i named him (jiggy)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
jose ivan...it sorta works for him
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm, this could get interesting
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
dis et en drama ?
I never get that right – my sincere apologies for those whose native tongue I am butchering, but you get the idea…
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Thank you.
I will make a note of that.
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Is it time for, 'Oi, oi, oi, oi, oi'?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Yes! that's what I meant :(
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
jiggy dropped? or looking?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Go Rohan!
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Pate pops
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
now pate dropped
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
hand sling
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
its the middle of the 6 day season
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
Team managers should be salivating at the thought of Dennis.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
This is what this race is all about for Team UNI-SA
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
big guns losing this
too late………
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
he's such a tease
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hard not to love him.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
yes. ebh up there also
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
refresh it
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, I'm officially holding my breath.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
is that javi moreno leading out av?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Gerros got him
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
do I get prize for my hedge bet?
“Valverde could be it "
posted 12 minutes ago – ha!
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Hahahhaha!
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
fuck me
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
Valverde...oh noes, but very, very good race.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
extremely rude uncalled for unprofessional cowardly and please apologize
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Peter, I've been upset before and frustrated. But you alienate people when you do this.
You’re not a stupid man, and having you in the live threads has been great fun. Piti is a popular nickname…live with it. And don’t draw more people into your argument. Instead, maybe it’s time to draw a veil over this stage for you. I can’t make you, but perhaps you can accept that my reasons for suggesting this are well intentioned.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
well if "fuck that guy" is allowed/encouraged/not in the least seen as derogatory to professional cycling everywhere then I honestly think
the general audience here, not everyone for sure, but a lot it seems, have got some serious issues that I believe are not acceptable, and if I choose to stay here and continue to post even after a very worthy winner wins a race and he is in a rude and cowardly written post nastily referred to and the person who started the post sees nothing wrong, well what can I do
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
So do I actually. What I thought I was saying is that the fight would escalate and it would feel awful for you...
and yes, for me too. The thing I’ve liked most about the TDU threads has been the almost total lack of snark or argument.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I strongly object Peter, and you might remember that I put the thread up. This is not school and i am no longer the principal.
the person who started the post sees nothing wrong, well what can I do
Of course i saw something wrong, and I’ve defended others before who’ve said what you did. They have in my opinion framed their arguments in more constructive ways than you. Yeehoo has made the argument you should have made if you wanted people to listen to you. You don’t get far flying off the handle. And believe it or not, when i pleaded with you to stop, it was for your sake not mine. I’m on record all over this site as defending dopers…except Ricco.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
my apologies for what I said, sorry
until teddvdw said he also agreed that the “f that guy” comment was way outta line, no-one not one other had said anywhere they thought that comment was in anyway bad, and we all just got so sidetracked because my very emotional original post was unintentionally in-the-spur-of-the-finish-line moment typed out as a personal attack on you all, when I really am happy to be here (as you can see I’m still here and apologizing) with you all. I also don’t once someone has done their time get all anti that rider, and I am not getting into a D discussion here, and I know a lot about the pressures involved and I never participated myself, but when I competed as a Cat 1 amateur for La Redoute-Motobecane in Roubaix in 1983, I sure saw the culture around me. I and you both am sure are aware there were in the past many varying levels of participation and hopefully today the overall level is much lower than previous. In my PdCafe posts ALWAYS from the beginning you can go back to my posts since Jan 2009, I have been totally supportive of all riders because I love the RACING, I leave the judging to others.
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Beautiful! see you over in Stage 6, and thank you.
I love the RACING, I leave the judging to others.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
anyone interested in seeing everyone agreeing to disagree peacefully
(rather than reading the sillyness above and below), should go to seahorse’s beautiful post-tdu discussion http://www.podiumcafe.com/2012/1/24/2729454/withdrawal-and-what-we-learned-from-the-tdu-now-image-free
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
i is
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think Gerrans will be in ochre. He's looking very good for Spring. Best he's been in years.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I'm not sure
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
they weren't on the same time, were they?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
+0:08 for Gerrans and +0:12 for Valv-Piti
10, 6, 4 bonus seconds, I think, so they’ll be equal.
"Gold medal, silver medal, bronze medal; for me, potato." - Emil Zatopek
Gerro was 4 seconds up before the start.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
then should go to placings, no?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
valv piti looked smooth there
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
Based on that performance
he is back. Perhaps Gilbert will find 2012 a bit more challenging than 2011
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
It's January. It's Austrailia. Let's not put too much stock in this win
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
by PopUp Rolen on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am assuming that this was not his goal for the first half of the season
Where it may well have been for Gerrans.
Given that, he rode well, and still seemed to possess his trademark finish.
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Good point
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
by PopUp Rolen on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
He's always been about the best at this sort of finish
by uninformed consent on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
the sprinter who can climb, or the climber who can sprint
(which came first, the chicken or the egg?)
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Good to see gilbert will have some competition.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I think this was a genuine Queen stage, even if it is only a hill.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
you know S%$@ew all of you with your anti- Valv comments really you don't think 99% of ther riders here have doped? - come ON !
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
not in a live thread
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
easy big guy
ita all fun
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
well you are the one that said "Fuck me" first
maybe I should tell you to take it easy?
and gravelroad says “fuck that guy” and none of you go and censor gravelroad – right?
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Eff words are allowed
Doping talk ain’t. In the live threads. In other threads it’s awesome.
"Gold medal, silver medal, bronze medal; for me, potato." - Emil Zatopek
OK no doping talk - but why are you all so anti-Alejandro then ?
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Hahaha
Dear VirtKitty,
I love you,
That is all,
Sincerely &c.
Omne
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
:D
Mission Accomplished!
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well of course
many are anti nighttime marriage.
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by Phil H. on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not here peter please. We've had the happiest threads all week. I'd love that to last another day. Please.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
yup me so very happy too with a great bicycle race
but “fuck that guy” “oh fuck” “fuck me” I dunno but that kinda makes me sad, and what makes me even sadder is none of you have said those kind of comments against a great BICYCLE rider should be by the nmajority of us discouraged, not encouraged I believe is all . . .
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
I think I've learnt with being both a Vino and a Kloden fan to leave well enough alone.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
You've still misunderstood the rule.
1. The rule is a rule of ettiquette, not a rule of justice. The point of invoking it is not to start an argument, but to stop one. Please respect that and stop having this one.
2. There is no rule about profane language. If you really don’t like that, I’m afraid you’re going to be uncomfortable here.
3. There IS a rule about directly attacking other posters. Your original reply actually broke that rule too. We don’t say ‘screw you’ to one another (except in obvious fun).
I understand that your personal standards may be different than the standards here. But these are the standards here and they are the standards we have agreed upon. Politeness, here, involves respecting that when its pointed out to you.
I think he gets it
but addresses another point. And he has a point, these guys are just cyclists, maybe people should think a sec before responding with so much anger. But I do not intend to tell someone how they can and cannot respond, just a recommendation(oh I’ve called many athletes way worse than they deserve before of course).
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
I love your opening sentence Phil.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Why thank you
I’m way too level headed right now and totally not drunk enough! ah but tomorrow we shall change this!
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
The drinking thing explains why I didn't include the second sentence too.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
just say
Allllleeeeezzzzzzz Valverde!!!!! And enjoy the fact that all these haters are unhappy. Ha ha ha.
Valve gained a new fan today...me. I was moved by his emotional response to winning the stage.
I had to get my hanky out…and that should have been used because Gerro was pipped at the line :(
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I'd love to see him taking it to Gilbert later in the season
But really, really wanted to see Gerrans win today.
Can you see the difference?
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
muk your "bah" was totally OK
“fuck that guy” to me was totally not OK
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
That's the big un-named elephant in the room
Feel free to add a fanshot or fanpost posing the question though. You’ll get the conversation, for sure.
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
false equivalancy there
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
Expressing displeasure at the win doesn't break the rule...
…doping talk does. Please respect the rule.
It's cool mate
Just a matter of time and place.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, there are pretty much only 2 rules here
1. No politics
2. No doping talk in live threads
Otherwise we’re all good. :)
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am not politicking
I am just saying what a great ride.
and you all are dissing Valv right – why ? (dope if I am not missing something)
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
don't forget that "dope" has more than one meaning
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Especially in Oz. Some will say Gerro was a dope to go too soon. Not me though.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Nor me
He had to get a jump on Valverde to beat him in the sprint. Close, but no cigar.
i think Gerro's in the form of his life.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
the first reference, but the second reference (the one you replied to) i read more as the "idiot" meaning
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
The rule IS...
…don’t mention DOPING issues in live threads. Please STOP.
OK I got it but can I politely request not so many fuck words to spoil a great fanpost and a great ride by a great rider? (my opinion is all)
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
I blame the profanity on the Yappy Aussies ...
And while we’re there, I blame them for the outbreak of drinking too.
They are a bad influence.
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Glad to be of help :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Actually no, you can't.
Expressions of joy or dismay at the results of a race, in pretty much whatever terms they come out, are part and parcel of the conversations we do have here. We’ve all agreed not to take them personally, or make a personal issue of them, even if we disagree.
The limit is we try to avoid explicit references to doping. This has been explained repeatedly.
So then, let's leave it there?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
not that I hate anyome just pointing out what it's like to be on the receiving end is all - lets call a peace truce and get some sleep and the love-in and bike race will continue tomorrow OK ?
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Excellent!
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Dissing Valverde
or lamenting Gerrans’ close call?
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
I'm not arguing with you
Just explaining the rules here.
We’re happy to have the talk, but for everyone’s sake we don’t do it in the live threads.
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
OK maybe legally none of you are breaking the rules
but to me as a rule-ignorant poster it was OBVIOUS to me what you all were referring to so I got wound up because you were all inferring the D thing but not actually saying the D word. Maybe stop inferring the D thing should be a sub-rule of no D mentions in live threads, and this will not happen again, I am cool for that – and peace out.
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Ok, that's a point worth consideration
But, we do try to keep the explicit talk out of the live threads. Please don’t take it personally.
Speaking for myself, I’ve enjoyed your participation and hope it persists.
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
These Aussie blokes are sweethearts aren't they?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
They don't eat desert
they don’t drink wine.
And they don’t read books!
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
I eat dessert
I drink almost anything.
And I read all day.
You missed the dessert thread ;)
I left the opening paragraph of Cloudstreet in the first thread for you :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Oh, I read that
My head was throbbing at the time, but I read it. I particularly liked the use of ‘chiacking’. He sets a scene well.
Yeah
I’ve already outed myself too:
Aussie bloke – check
Loves Desert – check
Drinks – well anything (see Aussie bloke)
Read Books – check
You missed the earlier thread and thus my (self directed) sarcasm…
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Gotcha
I did read the earlier thread, but my brain was only running on a few cylinders. Winton managed to retain a foothold; the rest of it is a little hazy.
I getcha
Kind of like when I was planning to go to the gym earlier today but then there was this race on and I had beer in the fridge and “fuck it dude, let’s go bowling”.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 21, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, to be fair
after I ran out of beer, I totally started in on the wine!
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 21, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Totally acceptable behaviour
Well,once you deal with the shame of running out of beer ….
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Actually it's mostly to do with my present abundance
of wine.
I’ve got to get this back under 30 bottles before winter. I don’t have enough storage as it is.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 21, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
That sounds like a worthwhile endeavour
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
I'm good at setting goals
Achieving them, that’s totally a different thing.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 21, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Dude.
The way this is typically handled here is as follows: if people feel that someone is crossing the line, they say so. Then the subject gets dropped or moved to another thread. We don’t continue to argue it, we just respect that people have been made uncomforable (since the point is that not everyone wants to participate in that discussion every time they watch a race). The spirt of the rule is to stop these conversations, not to prolong them.
Please respect the spirt of the rule.
Not dissing Valv, I was cheering for Gerrans and disappointed
what is wrong with that?
by uninformed consent on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
your comment was totally OK. the "fuck that guy" comment to me was totally not OK
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
The guy is an awesome talent
and it is soooo good to see him back.
But forgive the locals (and expats) if they would have preferred to see Gerrans win ….
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Ahem...did you seahorse? Cos, I'm not sure why you're cross.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
you sure you wanna go there Phil?
please read all my replies above and reconsider
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
No
because the comment was not classy, I know you are a good guy though.
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
Good save sir.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
or maybe you were not being sarcastic maybe you meant it as a compliment - I dunno just tell me straight
thanks if it was a supportive comment
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Gerrans went too soon
Understandable, he was probably nervous, but he had a brilliant ride
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Of course not!
Except for when we do.
But then it’s just for fun and you shouldn’t get so hung up on it.
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
What idiot said that?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
No-one...you know we'd NEVER dope.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
huh I really am lost now
could please explain me the D rule when you are allowed and not allowed to use D cause I sure don’t get it
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Ok, here it is as simply as I can explain it.
1. Self-deprecating jokes (e.g. Aussies joking about Aussies) are generally ok
2. No serious discussion of doping in live threads.
That’s about it. We’re an accepting and tolerant bunch, so while it might feel like you’ve been a bit jumped on here, it’s mostly because we want you to fit in and feel like part of the family.
Feel free to ask any more questions.
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 21, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
More questions:
How come it’s 42?
When will we have refreshments?
How much of an effort do you have to put in to come across as such a good-natured lad?
The answer to the first question
As explained by Deep Thought ..
“the answer was incomprehensible because the beings didn’t know what they were asking. It went on to predict that another computer, more powerful than itself would be made and designed by it to calculate the question for the answer”
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
As muk's kindly answered the first question,
here are the remaining answers:
2. When you bloody well make them!
3. I don’t just drink because it’s fun and makes me think I’m smarter than I am (as well as more attractive).
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 21, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Later I think.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Yep, totally
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
:D
It’s basically a crit, but yeah, it’s live. Should be same/similar link to today.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
True
But, still viddy is better than not…
Sort of. ;)
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Careful
I’m prone to developing early and persistent crushes.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
at least you're not entirely fickle
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Not entirely
;)
fwiw I’m entirely fond of you also, but I respect your marriage to be too overt.
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
lol
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
ooops,
I’m drunk enough to have missed a “too much” in there.
Glad you got my drift thought :)
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by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
stage 6 start time is 1:10pm Adelaide (So Australia), CDT, with an expected finish time of 3:15pm — this would equate to a race run of 2:40am – 4:45am UTC. for the good ol’ USA, east coast is 9:40pm – 11:45pm saturday night for the sunday stage. there will be LIVE VIDDY for the complete stage.
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks um. I'm going to copy this info in for tomorrow's thread.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
yw
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
You always have my back :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
oh, for the ozzie one i always have to go to timeanddate.com
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it's all very emotional
"Gold medal, silver medal, bronze medal; for me, potato." - Emil Zatopek
Okay, Valverde is crying. I'm happy for him :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I've got my hanky out :(
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
3rd
Rogers?
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
Thank you
Seahorse.I’m off to bed.Great thread-still think Stuey should have won ; )
I love you :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Thanks yarb. I've loved doing it.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Epic
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
Awwww emotional guy
great cyclist-always has been. I actually warmed up to him not having his awesomeness around for awhile(plus having my favorite cyclist being a likely doper and me totally not being affected by that)
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
Peter...quit while you're ahead mate. It serves no purpose but to send you to bed in a snit.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
what come on I am in no snit I am just saying don't gang up on me for D and not anyone else really now
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Good third and fifth for Machado and Dennis after their break
"Gold medal, silver medal, bronze medal; for me, potato." - Emil Zatopek
Gerrans in ochre
Valverde +0
Machado +8
Rogers +14
Dennis +14
EBH +18
Bakelants +20
Moreno +24
Matthews +30
Vorganov +32
That's what it was all about for GE today
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Today's race is the best I have seen all year!
It seems as though Cavendish rides faster on some climbs than the fastest climbers in front of the race. Danilo Hondo
The Australian Nationals RR was awesome too.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Meh
stage wins should count more but makes tomorrow more exciting
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
I agree
But you can understand why they’d count back in a way that favors Gerrans, no? (Evidently it was on combined stage placings all five days) Hopefully there’s a conclusive winner tomorrow, and none of this bullshit like the 2010 Tirreno Adriatico
I'm pretty sure the rule was in place prior to the event beginning
and not once it began to favor an Aussie.
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
I'm loving you more and more Phil, because I didn't know how to respond to that.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Good perspective fro Boardman
Green Edge did not show good team work today, not compared to say Movistar.
The GE boys are going to have to work on that.
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
I agree. I think there are too many men for the flats on the team, and someone other than O'Grady should have been in the break.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
He may be the fittest. I know the young ones have suffered. But they needed him to call the shots.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I was looking more at after O'Grady got away
Valverde was always surrounding by green (movistar) helmets.
Green Edge jerseys were usually spread throughout the group.
Did it matter in the end? Maybe, maybe not. But at this level it is as much about saving energy as is it dishing it out at exactly the right time….
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
they'll get it together
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hope so.
How can they deliver Goss to back to back MSR wins if they don’t ?
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
cause oscarito's gonna win it
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
If an Aussie can't win
I’d be okay with Oscarito taking it out
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Given Klodi's new found sprinting abilities, I'm expecting big things :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I'd prefer Merckx win it
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 20, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
He got his share.
But if you’re going there, I’d prefer to see Coppi win it, in his classic style
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
That's what I mean. O'Grady is the boss on the road. what he says goes, and he wasn't there to say.
McEwen knows what it’s all about, but he’s a true sprinter…prefers to be the protected one ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Super racing for January
Hell, for anytime. Great to be back with my PdC mates. Life is good.
"If Peyton Manning crashed onto a barbed-wire fence and returned to a game, you’d never hear the end of it for the rest of your life." Jason Gay
Thank you Seahorse for another brilliant evening
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
Thank you everyone. I can't believe we made it to a third thread.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Thank you again Seahorse
Night, all
by uninformed consent on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
it's been a long dry spell
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ha!
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Provisional GC results. I know it only goes to seventh.
1: Simon Gerrans (AUS) – GEC 2: Alejandro Valverde (ESP) – MOV 3: Tiago Machado (POR) – RNT 4: Michael Rogers (AUS) – SKY 5: Rohan Dennis (AUS – SA) – UNA 6: Edvald Boasson Hagen (NOR) – SKY 7: Jan Bakelants (BEL) – RNT 8: Javier Moreno (ESP) – MOV
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I was told there was no math. what can I say? Thanks for the results though!
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Valverde looks really skinny. I'm pleased for him. I just wish it wasn't Gerrans he's beaten.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
In summary
I’m happier that Gerrans got the jersey (and will probably keep it) and Valverde gets the stage, that Gerrans get the stage and Valverde take the GC.
Nothing against Valverde at all, just want to see Gerrans and GE do well.
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
You read my mind :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
thanks everyone and Seahorse for the awesome posts
sorry I did not know the no D rule but I sure do now.
and my request would be, great! , express your support and displeasures for/against any rider you want no problems, but maybe relect a little and think how some of the swearing anti-cyclist comments some of you made can really be a bummer here – thanks again.
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Cool Pete!
As your sig says, some of us are a little loopy.
We’re pretty casual with most things. The swearing, the not liking certain riders, the unreasonable love of other riders.
We’re even ok with the dope talk, we just corral it off in its own special place is all.
Looking forward to the ’morrow.
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 21, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
like
and looking back up at what set me off, it really was the “fuck that guy” that sent me over the edge, uncalled for in my opinion that comment, we should all discourage comments like that I strongly feel.
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
i agree with you there
it seems ugly and kind of pitiful. But at some point you have to just let it go. Face it, there are tons of valverde haters in the pdc crowd. And of course, it’s not a bad opportunity to rub it in a little for all those folks, ha ha.
thank you yeehoo you are the only brave ram in a herd of sheep
I just recently got back on PdCafe after joining in January 2009 had TONS of fun for about a year 1/2, then left on-and-off for maybe a yearish, I returned when wanting to join Pablo in his strava party – thanks Pablo!, and now have had an awesome 5 days at the TdUnder, I just forgot how surprisingly anti-cycling some comments can get and was sad Valverde’s wonderful win was being trashed by some nasty comments IMHO, but the “fuck that guy” as you say also comment being ugly really sent me over the edge is all . . .
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
So everyone who doesn't agree with you
is a sheep without an opinion of their own? My my, that’s mighty high horse you’ve got there mate.
i was just saying I could not believe no-one anywhere had said in any way they thought the "F that guy" comment was unacceptable - do you find it acceptable?
I am on purpose being provocative unlike my normal self because I strongly feel I need some reaction from someone that saying “F that guy” about a rider is not something to be encouraged here.
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
I don't mind it
then again, I don’t live in a country where people go apeshit over a swear word. It’s just a word. It has no special powers.
Nor does Peter. How about leaving countries out of it?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Anti-cycling?
A doper returns and claims that he didn’t do anything wrong, there’s nothing wonderful about it when he wins. Luckily, at least one pro might disagree with you.
If this is the “new age” of cycling your name & superstar shouldn’t be used in the same sentence when u r just back from a doping violation
That’s from Danny Pate.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jan 21, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Not just a pro, but a dude who busted his ass on that stage
to set up his teammates, who ended up 4th and 6th behind Valverde.
"Gold medal, silver medal, bronze medal; for me, potato." - Emil Zatopek
yeah, i wasn't necessarily braver than anyone else
just happened to agree in not liking those comments. (plus you know, most people just want this whole conversation to end – when some hardheaded people get going on things like this they can become interminable …) But I mean those comments make me more and more of a valverde fan every time. And i didn’t specify, but i’m not sure i’d want to discourage those comments exactly in an official way – i think better that we learn to live with each other’s transgressions to a degree.
On the other hand, perhaps a little voluntary restraint would only be fair – i mean most of the valverde hatred i think comes from his doping history and in theory these are people who are disgusted by riders not playing fair – for those whose hate is coming from doping, then maybe they could tone down their comments a little in the live threads.
But i donno, then again, i’ve come around to sort of enjoying their pissiness. It might take some fun away if they quit. Go ahead folks, eat your liver, Valv Piti wins again! Cuz he’s a hell of a racer.
"most people just want this whole conversation to end"
Amen brother…. amen
"...my reverse cyclelogy has paid off." -ant1
congrats to
valverde and gerrans and the aussies! Great race. Sunny and laid back and fun – what better suited to the aussies?
The 'debate' reminded of someone who shall remain nameless and who also went at the live/non-live doping stuff
like a dog with a bone. I wonder if he’s forgotten?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
What is that even supposed to mean?
Many of us aren’t as inclined to forgive and forget as you are. If simply writing “valv piti” constitutes “bringing up baby”/“doping talk”, then I suspect we will have a lot of “transgressions” of that nature in the upcoming months. If we can’t even make subtle or not-so-subtle references to the proven cheating of some riders , or express our annoyance at the success of such riders (or any rider??), or swear, in the live threads without breaking someone’s heart, then I fear many tongues will fall off due to recurring “biting of the tongue”.
I agree with everything you said. I was laughing at the fact that these days you're relaxed about it.
Or is laughing now bad? Geez HM…
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I am not in any way going at the live/non-live why do you lump me in with that? I am totally OK with the rule now that I know about it/remember it. My whole thing from the start was the nasty anti-cycling and anti-one-rider comment(s)
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Holden and i have a long and happy history and agree about NOTHINg to do with doping ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
quote from movistar manager - talk about talking up your man!
Gutierrez concluded with the assessment that Valverde will not contest Gerrans’ leadership during the final criterium in Adelaide on Sunday. "We’re not a sprinters’ team," said the Spaniard. "In a one-on-one sprint, Alejandro would beat Gerrans, as he would beat Petacchi, Freire, Boonen etc. Probably the only one he wouldn’t beat is Cavendish.
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wow what has he been smoking???
Well
He was beating Freire before he was suspended. And Freire was beating him. Very competitive between the two at Pais Vasco a couple years ago. So if Oscarito is the measuring stick, then, yeah, he could beat Petacchi sometimes and Boonen these days as well since that isn’t saying much.
Sure. But everyone but Cavendish
means he’ll be outsprinting Greipel and Kittel and Farrar and all of the other ones too
Important to notice the generational gap here
An older rider (Jiggy) talking about other older riders (Valverde, Freire, Boonen, Petacchi) with only Cav of the younger crowd included-because he broke through before those others you cite. Has Jiggy ever raced against Kittel? If at all, not enough to make an impression. Greipel was still confined to the small shit races when Valverde was last rampant. Farrar had not really made a breakthrough either. And I’d say that the Valverde of a couple years ago would give all of those guys a run for their money.
But it will be interesting to see how much of Valverde’s top end speed still exists after the layoff. Not that he will use it against the other sprinters because he doesn’t do real bunch sprints, but just to see what he has left and what he’s lost. He was always able to out kick the other GC boys: can he still do that?
He looks really skinny to me, which could affect his top end sprint.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I was actually a little stunned when I saw him. Looks more like an Euskie :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Then again, if you listen to the team doctor
Piti has been doing 3000 situps every day.
assuming that he spends a third of his day riding, a third sleeping that leaves him 8 hrs, and unless my math is off that’s one every 8 seconds…..
Movistar – where exaggerations live strong….
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
sorry I missed this live
Reading through the thread has inspired me to embellish my signature. I hope omnevelnihil doesn’t mind.
I can’t be arsed getting into an argument over a bit of fun. -- omnevelnihil
Excellent choice!
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
sorry tedvdw
I agree and I am guilty.
And if anyone replies to this well then my answer to you is written in teds reply above . . .
and I will stop no more posts for me here in this post. I stop NOW.
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
Don't read it then
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jan 21, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I probably shouldn't, but I'm going to argue with you on this one.
Taking for granted out very limited rule set (a soft ban on politics, a harder ban on doping talk in live threads, and a pretty comprehensive ban on ad homeniem attacks directed at other posters), I’m going to draw a conclusion about why keeping it that way makes good sense.
We’re sports fans. I’m pretty well convinced that it’s more or less impossible to be emotionally invested in sports (something all of us here enjoy) without also having fairly strong positive and negative reactions to some athletes / outcomes. Thus, especially in a live thread, strongly worded expressions of joy and dismay are pretty much inevitable. You might as well get upset at water for being wet. As far as I can see, people being upset at the result of this race aren’t really doing anything materially different from people who get annoyed when Cavendish wins all the time. Nor is there any more reason for anyone not Valverde to take people’s views about Valverde personally than there is for people not Cavendish to get personally offended by folks saying “Bah Cavendish.”
you're seriously equating "bah cavendish" to "fuck that guy [sic av]"?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Yes, I am.
I really don’t think they’re materially different. By the way, I say that because I think that ‘Bah Cavendish’ is dismissive and harsh, not because I’m denying that the comment about Valverde is any big deal. It’d suck pretty badly to be either of them and read that (and being a professional athlete pretty much entails learning to shrug that feeling off). That said, statements of either kind are inevitable in fandom. They simply are. Trying to ban them is pointless, as is getting seriously upset about them or taking them personally.
The sentiment behind the anti-cav/HTC/Pistolero/EvilCricket comments
haven’t been that different from those comments. BTW they weren’t long anti-rants, they’re one sentence outbursts. Much of the meaning behind is inferred by those that took offense.
I often blurt out "fuck " “fuck no” “dammit” when a race doesn’t have the outcome I want. This oversensitiveness to anything that is considered as negative is a bit offputting. Don’t take emotion out of everything for the sake of political correctness.
Yeah. I mean fuck you Jens and Ed.
What you two say is basically how I see it. And I say that while at the same time sometimes getting over-sensitive about the Bah remarks regardless of who is being bah’ed. When I get to feeling that way I think it is only fair that I remove myself from the live thread so others can go about their cheering and booing. Its me that needs the Time Out, is what I’m saying.
Probably Valverde wil get booed a bunch this year. Definitely at the Tour introductions and no doubt elsewhere. And it seems that he’s definitely using that as a motivational tool-and judging from Jiggy’s comments, the team is gonna use it too. And there’s more than one team in the history of sports that have used that Disrespect chip to overachieve. So we get another interesting subplot for this season! Yea for subplots!
Also
Every time someone says “fuck that guy”, his VDS price goes up.
So it evens out.
I'm not just a smartarse. Other parts of me are sometimes clever as well.
by omnevelnihil on Jan 21, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wait
What do I need to say to get someone’s VDS price to go down????
"...my reverse cyclelogy has paid off." -ant1
Listen, if you find that out, let me know :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Jan 21, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, it was worth a try.... but Klodi will be very cheap yes?
After all, he is in the service of a new pretender to the crown. Sigh…
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Hmmm
Ursula check Klodi’s price, quietly raises it four points….
Just kidding…or am I?
No really, here’s a clue: Klodi is the same price he always seems to be. (Yes, I know his price varies some, but…average it out.)
That will do me. After leaving him off my team accidentally, when I turfed Ricco,
after my favourite near donut, O’Grady, he will be first man selected :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
now that I've had a recovery drink(or 2) lets finish off with what we all love, the RACING, and sorry for my involvement in all that sillyness above.
Valverde’s fantastic and EXTREMELY close win:
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
as in don’t be arsed ending with an argument after a bit of fun
I've heard you folks are a little loopy
It was a great win, that's for sure.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
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