new garmin women's team developments?
by ant1 on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM EST
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Printjust so Gav doesn't yell at me, i'm making a fanpost out of this. there's not much to say at this point though. i saw inrng (inrng.com, @inrng on twitter) tweet about a women's team for garmin in 2012. his info comes from another tweet by @alexfeel. some of us are very familiar with the whole lack of funding/team folding debacle of a couple months back. maybe the evil sideburns managed to keep things afloat somehow. maybe new money came through (i'd read somewhere that the barracuda money wasn't enough to save the women's team), who knows? stay tuned for more info as it becomes available. i'm sure our intrepid pdc citizen-journalists will keep us all posted with the latest.
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word is...
…JV did an interview with velochrono that will be out tomorrow with some details.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
and rumor is...
started by Gav, is that a garmin-AA drink merger could be the news.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Vaughter's reply
@inrng @_Gavia_ You’re smarter than you smell.
I don’t want to know the details there.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jan 26, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
nevermind,
i reread the exchange and it looks like inrng was the originator of the merger possibility.
where that smells come from, though, is still a mystery.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
good call
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Merger between Garmin and AA drink?
Well, the business of cycling works in mysterious ways, so why not.
Well, if Garmin was already paying half the AA Drink riders' salaries
it was a de facto merger anyway.
Can’t help wondering whether this sort of arrangement couldn’t have been arrived at an earlier point in the proceedings, thus avoiding anxiety for the riders & opprobrium from us lot?
Thanks for the heads up, anyway… for some reason I seem to have unfollowed JV. ;-)
"Frankly it's a bit depressing that year after year you see teams and riders disappearing. All the while you see the governing body regulating saddle angles and what colour overshoes you're allowed to wear."
Emma Pooley on the UCI
Be fairly interesting what the riders think
think some of them are pretty pissed at JV at the moment, and possibly will have a hard time trusting him…
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
If Garmin are paying the wages
then Garmin probably have every right to have their logo all over the place. I doubt what the riders think will even come into it.
But yes, it would be interesting to know.
"Frankly it's a bit depressing that year after year you see teams and riders disappearing. All the while you see the governing body regulating saddle angles and what colour overshoes you're allowed to wear." Emma Pooley on the UCI
are riders pissed?
i would assume so, and they have every right, but i remember them being very tight-lipped about the whole situation. i haven’t heard/read anything about them being angry at JV/slipstream.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
No
Just because they are legally obligated to pay these people does not give them the right to continue to use them in any way.
Darth Vaughters dissolved the team and publicly told his riders to go fend for themselves.
The division of that company no longer exists.
Just because many of them ended up on the same teams does in no way obligate the new employer (team) to do a damn thing.
What would Deming do? (+8:00 GMT)
All caps
But Daniel Benson just tweeted this:
SLIPSTREAM SPORTS PARTNERS WITH AA DRINK / LEONTIEN.NL FOR WOMEN’S TEAM
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
Pooley, Armistead,Martin, Laws, Ryan and Daams will ride for the AA Drink / Leontien.nl Cycling Team and entire team will ride Cervélo bikes
https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jan 27, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
kind of none the wiser really
Face-saving arrangement?
"Frankly it's a bit depressing that year after year you see teams and riders disappearing. All the while you see the governing body regulating saddle angles and what colour overshoes you're allowed to wear." Emma Pooley on the UCI
Ja
Not a take-over, merger or rebranding, just coming on as a bike sponsor, it seems.
"Beer helps." -- Ant1.
if it was just bike sponsor
what would slipstream have to do with it? wouldn’t it just be a cervelo thing?
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Unclear. I don't know what this means:
“Slipstream Sports today announced that it has entered into a partnership with AA Drink/Leontien.nl whereby AA Drink/Leontien.nl will operate the Women’s Pro Cycling Team at the races and the team will continue to be maintained by Slipstream.” Via press release
Especially: “the team will continue to be maintained by Slipstream” ..?? AA Drink/Leontien.nl was a separate team. Garmin/Cervelo women’s team folded. Riders seemed to have transferred from Garmin to AA Drink or even: joined as free agents.
"Beer helps." -- Ant1.
yep, it's unclear at best
i’d guess the maintained by part means they might be the management company, but if so, what happened to AA’s management company. and what does it mean contracts wise? do we know for sure the riders moving from garmin to AA had their garmin contracts annulled and signed new ones with AA? lots of questions.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
hard to tell from where i'm standing
it could be that, but at the same time, it seems that the storm had blown over more or less, JV had taken all the shit he was going to get. at that point he could have just washed his hands of the whole thing and gone on his men’s team only way. why bother working something out later.
i would guess this, or something like it might have been in the works for a while. maybe he did try to save the team, one way or another, since the big mat fallout.
who knows?
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
here's the press release
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
It's still not much clearer
is this a multi-year deal? Or just an afterthought that if they are paying teh wages of half of the AA Drink riders then they’d like some credit, thank you very much. And where does it leave Kirsten Wild’s track ambitions. When she left Cervelo, one of the problems she spoke of was that her contract with the team meant that she was supposed to ride Cervelo’s all the time, but the Dutch track team had a contract with another manufacturer (don’t know who) to supply all their bikes.
it'd be nice to hear from the riders
but i’m sure they’ll be toeing the corporate line.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
It's like they hired a Washington Lawyer to write their press releases
if only there was one around here somewhere to decipher it for us. I can’t even work out which one’s the Sanity Clause.
Ok, having been busy and out of touch for a few months, I might be missing something...
…but what’s the big news here? Pretty much all ex-Garmin riders have been riding for AA drink for months, no?
So basically, Slipstream’s giving some management support to AA and Cervelo’s become the bike sponsor?
yeah,
tell these bastards to work in the mine for half the salary.
More money too?
That would be good news. It was a serious question.
Year, lots of more money.
JV tells everybody to get lost, informing the riders there is no more work for them. Everybody scrambles to hang on to new opportunities and then JV says welcome back as part of a little M/A deal. So how many do you think earns more money this year compared to last?
Ok, I'm assuming most of this is sarcastic at this point.
I asked a question, not inviting snark. I honestly have no real idea what happened here. I can’t tell whether you do, or are just making assumptions and snarking on that basis. If you have actual information, by all means share.
Sorry, I don't want to appear snarky, but I have been influenced by too
any many sales people trying to get rid of debris.
I wonder what advantage Darth Vaughters can offer AA?
’Cause they could easily just gone to Cervelo for the Bike Sponsor.
I just don’t see any value Slipstream is adding to this.
What would Deming do? (+8:00 GMT)
Paying the salaries as we knew before
Perhaps chipping in some cash( or a better deal on the equipment side) ?. I wonder if AA wasn’t in a bit of difficulty since they seemed a bit scaled back compared to 2011 and I doubt it was because they were preparing for this deal.
The Cervelo news has been out for a while anyway
the only bit that’s different is the vague sounding “the team will continue to be maintained by Slipstream” and I haven’t got a clue what that’s supposed to mean. Are they a high maintenance group of women? Does JV’s involvement mean long chats on skype reassuring them that yes, the guy who didn’t ring you back is a complete bastard, isn’t he, and no, your bum doesn’t look big in green and yellow?
This is why I'm puzzled...
…AA had their own staff / team infrastructure, etc., no? Has Slipstream taken that over?
Not sure if this is the best place
but Gwena found a short video from the Big Mat Auber 93 team presentation
A few interviews that might shed further light
(but probably won’t)
we were looking for a creative way to keep the women’s team going and to make sure that we made good on all our obligations, the contracts that we have with the riders
which sounds a bit like he’s saying “Gerard Vroomen got his lawyers to have another look at the contract. The Bastard.”
Since I began racing in 2008, I have ridden on @cervelo bikes. Grateful for their continued support of womens cycling. #bestbikesintheworld
I’m very happy to be on the AA Drink-Leontien team, and also very very happy to be able to continue to ride Cervélo bikes. That’s a real weight off my mind in the Olympic year as I can be sure I’m on the best bike possible, especially for the time trial. Cervélo’s smallest frame fits me so well.
I think there should be a women’s Sky team … I want to be in a team where managers are really passionate
I’m still looking for a “so long and thanks for all the maintenance.”
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