CX World Champs: Junior race... LIVE
by tgsgirl on Jan 28, 2012 4:47 AM EST
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Goodmorning! Welcome to the first of four world champs races in the next two days. This morning, it's time for the juniors.
Where will they be racing? On sand!
Who will be racing? Startlist
Where can I watch? Sportz-livez or Cyclingfans
When does it start? At 11am CET.
Who will win? Well, my money's on Holland's Mathieu van der Poel
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klappen is netzomin nederlands als plaudern? ;)
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jan 28, 2012 5:14 AM EST up reply actions
true saxon is beyond you?
/terribly FAKE saxon
//totally made up as well…
We don’t like fondue, we don’t really like gourmet…
Us, here in Drenthe, like stonegrilling on the Hunebed!!!
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jan 28, 2012 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
regrettably
I have phonetic inclinations ;)
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jan 28, 2012 5:22 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea who any of the juniors are
But it’ll be nice to get a look at the parcours. Plus we might see Albertina, Pigeons et al!
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 4:58 AM EST up reply actions
Well, Mathieu van der Poel is like the Marianne Vos of junior races
He wins everything. He’s in the orange kit with number 23.
Apart from that, the Frenchies are always good at the worlds.
I love Koksijde
The round of the World Cup they had here back in November was the best race I saw in 2011.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:03 AM EST up reply actions
It's back in 2012
UCI released the programme yesterday. Igorre and Liévin are out, Rome (?!) and Roubaix are in.
“If you’ve ever tried to ride a bike in sand, you’ll know difficult it is. Shift your weight too much over the front wheel and it digs in, then you fall of. Too much weight over the rear wheel and digs in, sucking the strength right out of legs as you pedal harder to overcome the sucking effect, then more often than not you fall off. Get the balance just right and the sand still sucks the strength out of your legs. Try to go round a corner and everything’s fine – just kidding! You fall off. Well, that’s what happens in dry sand, at any rate; it’s much worse when it’s wet. Which it usually is on the very westernmost tip of Belgium.”
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
Rome
Bad choice in my opinion: fisrt for the weather (this year on 6th of january average 9°! max 11°!) and for the circuit… too easy without any important obstacles. :-(
Is he the lad in the light blue (didn't see his number)?
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:04 AM EST up reply actions
But why?
Why does pale blue=Belgium? Just because?
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:26 AM EST up reply actions
It's old school
the kits we had way back in the day, but we’ve been using them again for the past, eh, 10 years or so?
from twitter
podiuminsight Lyne @podiuminsight
Holy cow. All tickets sold out for the weekend. 53,000 fans!
They're expecting problems
with more people turning up and trying to get in, apparently. It’s like the Glastonbury Festival of CX!
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:05 AM EST up reply actions
That'll be the one I meant.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:06 AM EST up reply actions
This is good
Wout is solo, and Mathieu is stuck with three Belgians who won’t be helping him. Whiiii
Hmm. I don't suppose there's any chance of a stream with English commentary?
I’m up, so why the hell not, but where these two Dutch guys were kinda ok during the world’s road race (i.e. b/c I could fill in the blanks myself) right now I’m just watching and hearing something I don’t particularly understand.
Or...whatever nationality they are
They’re speaking Dutch, was my point.
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:13 AM EST up reply actions
Nope
I’ve searched – but TGSGirl doues an excellent job of translating. :-)
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:14 AM EST up reply actions
…whereas I do a rubbish job of typing.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:15 AM EST up reply actions
You will wail and despair
Nah, Ted and Broerie will be here for translations, harass them :) And maybe Geert too.
Course looks like it is faster (easier)
than it was in November?
Or am I imagining things?
Is the sand firmer because of the amount of rain?
It's packed down
which makes it somewhat easier to run on, but not necessarily easier to ride through
Funny, Herklotz and Van der Poel returning.
The two strongest guys on paper not on great form.
"But we're not racing on paper, we're racing on sand"
One of the kid Belgians in the prerace interviews :D
Is the stream unusually stable?
I’m more just curious for the future, since (sorry!) this race doesn’t mean much to me, but my WiFi is down so I’m doing a wired connection right now. The stream hasn’t bobbled once. Normally, even when I have a pretty good stream, it freezes for a second or two at least once every minute. Or the picture will freeze and the audio will continue.
Stream this morning is perfect. It’s like TV. Is it my connection, the fact that this race may be in less demand than the others I’ve relied on streams for, or is this particular stream just stronger?
Which are you watching?
Mine (Sports-Livez) is not too great.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
http://sports-livez.com/channel/ch-3.php
It’s like TV, it’s pristeen.
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
I'm on the left coast, if it matters
I guess I’ll try wired connection for the next big road event to be streamed. Which will probably be…Omloop Het Nieuwsblad?
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:22 AM EST up reply actions
ToQ starts 2/5. I, too, have the same problem with the S-L streams (midwest US.)
It all depends. If I can get the stream going before the race start, I have better luck.
dudududududududu - du!
Du du du! Du du duuuuu!
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jan 28, 2012 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea
That was the first I heard when I opened the feed
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Jan 28, 2012 5:21 AM EST up reply actions
Far and away.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:21 AM EST up reply actions
Alone against 4 Belgians... if he wins this it's amazing.
Certainly for a 1st year junior.
by blackswangreen on Jan 28, 2012 5:22 AM EST up reply actions
So? He's only human.
And clearly not on his best day.
by blackswangreen on Jan 28, 2012 5:25 AM EST up reply actions
Good morning, Mr. Head.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:22 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa, one guy pedaled up the sand hill while the others pushed their bikes
Does that happen a lot?
Yep. If you're strongest AND you're in front
you can often ride up where others walk. It’ll let you gain some time, especially if the guys behind you aren’t great runners.
I also noticed he was holding onto the barricades
I’m guessing that’s allowed?
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:23 AM EST up reply actions
Is sand a common surface?
I know mud and gravel and various artificial surfaces are often used
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:24 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much unique to Koksijde, I think.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:25 AM EST up reply actions
A few years ago
the UCI decided that sand is only allowed if it’s natural to the circuit – ie, they’re not allowed to add sandpatches.
Koksijde has the most sand, Scheldecross in Antwerpen (remember John, the one with the the octopus) has lots of sand too, Zonhoven has sand AND crazy hills.
Zonhoven pictures
Oh, of course
I’d completely forgotten Scheldecross. Not seen a race at Zonhoven yet.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
yes, seems unbeatable
but they several times made him chase their guy up the road
with 4 Belgians on his wheel
Frenchie helped him a bit I guess
Not too sure about Van der Haar... last time in Koksijde, he got 4th.
But you can’t be in dominating form all season.
by blackswangreen on Jan 28, 2012 5:33 AM EST up reply actions
If young Mr Boom had not defected to the tarmac
there might have been serious Belgian wailing and gnashing of teeth this year…?
may still happen if Styby is on a good day tomorrow
Lars was awesome when he had his day
but he wasn’t quite as dominant all season, all the time. He never won the world cup, for instance (indicating a season long top performance)
Whose chances do people fancy for tomorrow, then?
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
Totally expecting a Vos victory
But Daphny vdB’ll give her a run for her money – the Cup and Championship would be a lovely way to end her career. I reckon Nys will be in with a good chance.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone knows Vos!
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yep.
Vos wins everything sooner or later, and as Jens says she’s done it once.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
The girl is two years younger than me
And she has an Olympic medal, two elite world champ titles on the track, a world champ title on the road (and five! second places) and four (FOUR) world champ titles on in the field
I knew she'd won everything else
But I thought the worlds RR was still missing from her palmares (hence the 5 straight silver medals being such a heartbreak).
She’s younger than me, too…..
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:46 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Marianne likes the sand much, but Marianne running at 75% is still a force to be reckoned with.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:33 AM EST up reply actions
…and she was riding a rickshaw.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:35 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh!
Could have done without Shane Warne’s being all over the casino ad when i opened the stream #targetedadvertsingfail
(Morning all btw)
I've seen a couple of possible Albertinas so far
But it seems a lot of Styby fans are doing the pink hat thing.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
So, in 'cross, this ten-ish second gap the three Belgians have over the chasing Frenchman and Belgian
is considered a substantial gap, isn’t it?
It's substantial
but not impossible to make up for.
That is, if it weren’t the best junior by far who was in the lead
One dutchie rides over
three belgians come to a stop on the hill and have to get off. Oh my, that’s gotta hurt.
So, this guy in the lead
is the son of Adri van der Poel. And also related to Raymond Poulidor. That explains a thing or two.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
Yes, Poulidor's grandson.
He also has something Vos-like about him, the same drive.
by blackswangreen on Jan 28, 2012 5:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, Adrie vdP married Raymond Poulidor's daughter
There’s an older son David vdP who rides in the U23 race today.
"Beer helps." -- Ant1.
Isn't Poulidor's granddaughter married to a nephew of the Planckaerts...
…or some dynastic link along those lines?
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:41 AM EST up reply actions
yes, grab that rail: PULL!!
(let’s do it like they do on the Discovery channel…)
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jan 28, 2012 5:40 AM EST reply actions
Are Belgium, France, and Netherlands the only nations in this race?
Or are they just the only nations with riders worth anything resembling a shit?
Nope!
There are Brits, Italians, Canadians, Americans and several others!
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:43 AM EST up reply actions
Haven't seen any other jerseys yet
‘course, I haven’t been watching every second.
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:43 AM EST up reply actions
Sixteen nationalities in total
by my reckoning.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 6:10 AM EST up reply actions
FINISH
World Champ Mathieu Van der Poel. Congrats lad.
2. Wout Van Aert. Good job.
3. Jauregui. Damn.
Is that a big deal for the Belgian team and their supporters, losing a bronze medal in a sprint like that?
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you for indulging my total n00bness :)
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:50 AM EST up reply actions
I only started to follow CX this season
You couldn’t wish for a better place to learn about it than here.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:50 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I know PdC loves them some 'cross
…hell, it’s kind of impossible not to know that ;)
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
Oh
I thought the three Belgians were the front of the race.
Don't worry, he'll switch to the road ;)
by blackswangreen on Jan 28, 2012 5:46 AM EST up reply actions
Of course ;)
But embrace him, for all intents and purposes, he’s a Belgian. No one in Holland will believe he’s Dutch, if they hear him talk ;)
by blackswangreen on Jan 28, 2012 5:50 AM EST up reply actions
Strong Flemish accent indeed
but our accents seem to catch on quick. If you’ve ever heard one of the Belgies in Eredivisie talk…
But he lives in Belgium.
I guess he goes to school there too.
by blackswangreen on Jan 28, 2012 5:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know
Just saying, Dutchies that live in Belgium seem to speak with a Flemish accent in no time; and same goes for Flemish people who live in Holland. We both lose our native accent quite quickly, it seems.
Yes.
If I speak to a Belgian for an hour I have a Flemish accent as well ;) But that’s because I like accents.
by blackswangreen on Jan 28, 2012 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
hey now ;)
blatant lie:
“we didn’t mean to”
by Amsterdam Admirals on Jan 28, 2012 5:47 AM EST up reply actions
Would that be considered a good result?
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well, you didn't really have any contenders here
so it’s a decent result. Zach McDonald in the U23 race this afternoon maybe has a better chance, but he’s not a favourite either.
We have a contender (not necessarily a favorite) in the women's race, right?
Katie Compton?
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:53 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, Compton is definitely a contender
It’ll be a matter of timing her crash (she always crashes, every race) right. If Vos weren’t so crazy good, she’d be a favourite.
So a medal favorite, if nothing else?
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 5:56 AM EST up reply actions
I always think...
that if you’ve been in a race with Vos, you can subtract one place from your finish. I you were fourth, consider yourself to have earned a place on the podium – because it’s as good as third in a race without Vos.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 5:58 AM EST up reply actions
That's because Dutch is actually the same as English
…but they only speak with a mouthful of grapes. If they swallow the grapes and then talk, it’s English. English speakers can put this to the test: buy some grapes and cram as many as you can into your mouth. Then, talk. You see? Fluent Dutch.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
I kindly asked Pat if he could take some of the translation work away from me
It only took 250.000 euros to convince him too
Alright, see you all in just under three hours kids!
Time to do some ironing.
1. Van der Poel (Ned)
2. Van Aert
3. Jauregui (Fra)
4. Hermans
5. Soete
6. Tichelt
7. Herklotz (Dui)
8. Hoeyberghs
Such babyfaces
But such young hardmen
by Alexandra_5236 on Jan 28, 2012 6:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not as damp as I thought it might be
Sand drains well, obviously, but I thought the muddy bits would be – well, muddier.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
Well that was sorta fun
I still don’t really know anything :p If I’m still awake I’ll probably watch the next race.
good morning...!
Am I too late?
Strava...? We are going for the TOP 10 this year...! Are you going to be part of something great or not?
I guess I am....
Strava...? We are going for the TOP 10 this year...! Are you going to be part of something great or not?
Yes, you are
But there’s another race this afternoon – my afternoon. You’re in New Jersey right? Then it starts at 9 am I believe. (it should be 7:14 for you now, in that case)
No maths..!!! Thanks GS..!!!
Strava...? We are going for the TOP 10 this year...! Are you going to be part of something great or not?
The podium picture 4 posts above
was kind of a clue…
But you are never too late for the scintillating company of your fellow PdCers
What picture?
Strava...? We are going for the TOP 10 this year...! Are you going to be part of something great or not?
Hey! I was told this fun in the sand would start at 5am my time.
I don’t know if I can stay awake for 45 min without anything to do.
I want van der Haar! No fair.
I’ll take Mike Teunissen. Only because I have no idea who any of them are.
I'll take Jack Clarkson
for purely patriotic reasons.
I saw a baby that looked like Cadel Evans the other day...
by John Cyclopunk on Jan 28, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
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