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Already dreaming of the Giro

Is it too early for a post like this?

Nahh, it's never too early to dream of the Giro. Especially not with the teams already announced. While we won't know exact squads for a couple of months, of course, we can surmise who will attend. And that's got me thinking...

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Favorites for the General Classification

I'm not gonna reinvent the wheel here. The "reigning champion" Michele Scarponi will almost certainly be back (supposedly he's weighing the options between the Giro and the Tour, but does he really need me to tell him the Giro route is better for him? Never mind that "reigning champion" thing). This year's route isn't quite as ridonkulous as last year's...but it's still pretty insane.

Ivan Basso returns to the Giro in 2012, after focusing solely on the Tour de France last year. He has half-jokingly pointed to the fact that both of the previous Giri he won, in 2006 and 2010, began abroad (Belgium and the Netherlands, respectively), so that must give him some leg up with this year's start in Denmark. I bet he's jumping up and down at the prospect of the Giro coming to Washington, DC (is that possibility still on the map?). First step: Don't crash in training just before the race starts.

John Gadret has made it clear that he prefers the Italian Grand Tour to the French, and his sterling performance last year has to have him in consideration. However, there's probably too much time trialing on the route for him to top the podium. But a first "won-it-on-the-road" podium could well be in the cards.

No way does José Rujano stay home after his (double) stage winning sixth place performance from last year and another reasonably favorable route.

I'm a believer in Team NetApp. I expect one of their leaders, Leopold König or Jan Bárta (and if I could figure out which, I could finalize my VDS team!), to do what we've expected Domenico Pozzovivo (whose name is not bolded) to do for the last few years, and that's post a low top-ten. (Yes I know he was ninth in 2008, what the farts has he done since then?)

We can't ignore Steven Kruijswijk his solid 2011 Giro performance and impressive incremental improvement since 2010, but I wouldn't expect him to come much higher this year than he did last.

Some interesting possibilities remain depending on who particular teams send to the race. 2011 top-10'ers and new teammates Denis Menchov and Joaquim Rodríguez practically have Grand Tour routes made-to-order for them later in the season, so who will Katusha send? Probably just stage-hunters. What about Omega Pharma-Quick Step? Levi Leipheimer will almost certainly get them an invite to the Tour of California, and he of course will be a protagonist at that race. The Tour de France looks great for Tony Martin, so does Peter Velits perhaps get the Giro? Who will Team Sky's top man be, 2010 Giro maglia rosa-wearer Richie Porte or 2011 top-10'er Kanstantsin Sivtsov? Either could be a realistic contender for the top 10. Roman Kreuziger likes the Giro, but based on the routes he'd be better off gunning for the Tour, so do the Kazakhs send Voldekourov?

Favorites for the Points Classification

This is what I was first thinking about that led me to want to write this. Already confirmed to be riding, for just the second time in his career, what will Thor Hushovd's motivations at the Giro be? Will he ride for the red jersey? If he wins it, it would make him only the fifth rider ever (after Eddy Merckx, Djamolidine Abdoujaparov, Laurent Jalabert, and Alessandro Petacchi) to win the points crown at all three Grand Tours. Certainly, that would be a historic achievement (although I don't remember a whole lot of buzz when Petacchi sealed it by winning Tour green in 2010). With his ability to get high placings on non-sprinter stages, and come home 8th or 9th in the field sprints, he could be a favorite. Are the "non-sprinter stages" I speak of sufficiently easy for Thor to get points? Will he still want to drag his ass over Alpe di Pampeago, the Stelvio, the Mortirolo after Mark Cavendish, Tyler Farrar, Petacchi, and others have run for the....well, not the hills.

We all know that BMC is gonna have lots of cooks in the kitchen when Tour time comes. It's difficult to imagine Thor won't be one of them. He's won at least one Tour stage every year since 2006. In 2005, the most recent year he didn't win a stage, he won the green jersey, one of the rare instances when it has been won without a stage win. In 2004, he also won a stage, same for 2002 (and a team time trial in 2001). So out of the last 11 Tours, there's only been one where Thor didn't win something. Entire teams would like to have that track record of success. So does he risk blowing his form prior to La Grande Boucle? As an unabashed fan of the Giro first and the Tour second, I'm selfishly hoping so, but it definitely remains to be seen.

Obviously, with another climb-heavy route, many general classification contenders will also be contenders for the red jersey. There's a few more sprints than last year (there........would have to be) but who knows if any of those days' winners will complete the race? We know the usual suspects will all be there - Cavendish, Farrar, Petacchi, possibly André Greipel, Matt Goss, or Mark Renshaw. The only sprinters that would seem assured of completing the Giro are ones with limited ambitions later in the year, like Sacha Modolo or Roberto Ferrari. I can't say I see them winning any sprints, let alone the jersey.

Favorites for the Mountains Classification

This is always the toughest to predict, because of the type of rider it takes to win. The rider has to be a good enough climber to actually win the prize, but not so good that the peloton won't allow him to fly away on breakaways. While I do believe in them for a good overall placement, this may still be a more realistic goal for König or Bárta.

Should they choose to go for it, it could be an easy get for one of the fine many fine mountain goats on offer from that team who wears orange kits and totally aren't a crunchy vegetable that's good for your eyesight.

Even with such an uphill route, King of the Mountains still tends to be King of the Breakaways, and we might look at a rider like Emanuele Sella (did I just say that?) or even Jérôme Pineau, both of whom I expect to see take the start in Herning.

Frankly, the prototype riders right for "good enough to win KOM, not so good to be overall threats" are probably Danilo Di Luca and Stefano Garzelli. But we know how that turned out. Other riders that come to mind under these molds include Vasil Kiryienka and Giovanni Visconti, though I'm guessing Signor Tricolore probably still fancies himself an overall threat.

Favorites for the Youth Classification

Here's the one I'm most likely to be spectacularly wrong about sure of. Steven Kruijswijk, top-10 last year any way you cut it, remains eligible. He's been very strong in each of the last two editions of the Giro, finishing just two and a half minutes back of Kreuziger last year, a rider largely agreed upon to be a step up in caliber. Our own Peter Stetina retains eligibility as well, but he'll have to be quite a bit better this year than last if he wishes to challenge Kruijswijk for the jersey. Another intriguing possibility with Old Glory by his name is Tejay van Garderen. Who's to know if he rides, although that Tour squad is gonna be a tough one to crack, which might up his chances to ride the Giro. He's shown himself to be a very capable stage racer. König is also young enough to qualify for the jersey. Team Sky's Rigoberto Urán is also still young enough, though again, who's to know if he rides the Giro. No one else really jumps out at me in perusing the rosters for each team invited to the race.

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I imagine Bert being back for the Vuelta makes the Giro list a bit better

Jrod surely will forget about the TT fest in July and unlike last year go to Italy in full fitness. I’m hoping Frank goes to the Giro, otherwise he wastes his GT talents once again. I picked Gadret for the VDS based solely off the expectation he does a top-5 in May…so he will suck.

"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts

by Phil H. on Feb 12, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, Menchov is perfect for Katusha at the Tour

He’s the true all-rounder, and he covets the Tour to complete the career sweep. The route for the Vuelta certainly SCREAMS Rodriguez, but you’re probably right, he could lose as much as five minutes to Bertie in the stage 11 ITT. He might switch it up given Bertie’s availability.

It’s a few months old, but Schleck the elder has said they’re both concentrating solely on the Tour. Which is DUMB. But not exactly a surprise.

by Aly Edge on Feb 12, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Read JB saying they were considering the Giro for Frank a few weeks ago

I’m hoping against hope

"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts

by Phil H. on Feb 13, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG...fast forwarding through the Classics. Now that would be a travesty.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Feb 13, 2012 1:39 AM EST reply actions  

I'm learning to love the single-day races

But give me the Stelvio over the Muur any day of the week and twice on Sundays :)

by Aly Edge on Feb 13, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Ouch!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Feb 13, 2012 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It's never too early.

Go Basso.

"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.

"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.

by gizzardfanny on Feb 13, 2012 1:41 AM EST reply actions  

Ryder Hesjedal will be the GC man for Garracuda

He might be in the mix.

What would Deming do? (+8:00 GMT)

by Ryan_Liles on Feb 13, 2012 1:54 AM EST reply actions  

Huh, a little surprising that they wouldn't go back to the well with Christophe Le Mével

After he was literally inches from the jersey a few different times last year. Neither really stands any chance of winning it, though Hesjedal is probably more likely to bring home a top-ten.

by Aly Edge on Feb 13, 2012 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It's definitely not too early for a post like this.

I believe Fuglsang has been named as captain for RNT… And last I heard, Kreuziger didn’t like the Tour course and was planning to ride the Giro.

And apparently Gesink has been talking about riding it as preparation for the Tour??? Dunno, I saw an interview from late fall, maybe he has regained his senses.

Start fast, finish fast, and hope you're fast enough-- Cadel Evans

by tgartner on Feb 13, 2012 3:04 AM EST reply actions  

He's only *just* going to be back from injury around the time the Giro begins, isn't he?

Makes perfect sense to ride it at, say, 80% to build toward his biggest goal for the season (although if healthy he should probably favor the Giro as a goal). He probably won’t ride the whole race, but even just two solid weeks at 80% is an opportunity no other race could afford him.

Kreuziger just strikes me as an Evans/Menchov-type “true all-rounder,” not a “climb-first” rider like Scarponi, Rodriguez, or even Basso. He could probably top 10 either race, but he’d have a legitimate chance for a podium at the Tour. Doesn’t surprise me to hear that he favors the Giro, though – that’s kind of the entire reason he left Liquigas. Seems he covets it the way a certain Luxembourgish rider fixates on the month of July.

by Aly Edge on Feb 13, 2012 4:39 AM EST up reply actions  

That is hilarious.

"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi.

"If I couldn't play for the Colts, I would probably stop playing football." - Peyton Manning.

by gizzardfanny on Feb 13, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently Chris has been contacted directly by Euskatel Euskadi and the riders really don't like being referred to as carrots.

Considering they have asked nicely we should respect their wishes and enjoy the fact that someone from the team is otherwise enjoying (hopefully) our community.

by flying dog on Feb 13, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

Some things will never die

And I suspect the use of “carrots” is one of them.

"Englutch, the official language of the Podium Cafe (from January to April)" -Chris Fontecchio

by VirtKitty on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

But I love carrots

Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...

by TheFigurehead on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone(Albertina?)

needs to explain to them about “term of endearment”,“nicknames” ect.
I mean all the other teams have a nickname,theirs is maybe more personal but it got me paying attention to them.I have even put some on my team this year.I have friends who watch the races with us that now know about them that did not before and look for the “orange” ones.
Carrots is a lot nicer than some people here call some of the other riders.

by Dustbunny8 on Feb 13, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Edit made, but....when did that happen?

I assume the “friendly reminder” post was borne out of mine here, but…that term has been at the forefront of every live thread I’ve ever been in that involved that team.

by Aly Edge on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed the original "friendly reminder" post too.

I made a post last month referring to “carrots” in the title (since edited) and Chris (see second comment) took exception. I also received an email regarding my use of the name carrot that explained the rider’s were unhappy with the name. So I’m just passing on what I’ve been told, I didn’t mean to detract from an otherwise excellent post about the Giro.

by flying dog on Feb 13, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure King Leo leads NetApp in the Giro.

JRod leads Katusha in the Giro and Vuelta. And Uran rides the tour, not the Giro.

by sebastiandeluded on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, like I said, I was just scanning rosters to see who's still young enough

Urán definitely seems like the kind of man Wiggins will need at his side, rather than him maybe getting a top ten at the Giro.

by Aly Edge on Feb 13, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Henao is doing the Giro for Sky

Could be a good bet for best young rider, especially as I believe Kruijswijk is doing the Tour. Slagter will be fulfilling the young climber role for Rabobank this year.

Astana have announced a team I think, and it includes Kreuziger, Tiralongo, Kiserlovski, and Kessiakof (sp?).

by Esteban C on Feb 13, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Kruijswijk at the Tour? Sacrilege!

He’s been one of the Giro’s real rising stars. As for Sky, Porte and Sivstov both would seem to fill that “true all-rounder” role and be better off at the Tour, but I figured that would belong to Wiggins (who fills the role even better) and maybe one of them would get the Giro (since I have to imagine Froome gets the Vuelta). Will they only get SSSR’s to ride for themselves?

by Aly Edge on Feb 13, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Porte will be domestiquing at the Tour -

He’s doing the same race programme as Wiggins (along with Rogers). I’ve read Sivtsov is doing the Giro though. Froome is doing both Tour and Vuelta.

by Esteban C on Feb 13, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be some nice team tension

if Froome really does turn out to be better than Wiggens. I like it.

by sebastiandeluded on Feb 13, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Liquigas should go all in at the Giro with both Nibali and Basso instead of trying

to mess with the TT’ers in the TdF.
Anybody know what Cobo will do this year?

by Uphill on Feb 13, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

Definitely agree about Leaky.

It worked out pretty nicely in 2010. They were so impressive, dominating the race even after they coughed up 13 minutes on that wacky stage in the rain. And then Nibbles went on to win the Vuelta. (Granted that part of the scenario may not be so likely this year…)

Peter Sagan can lead them at the Tour. He’d be good for a stage win or two, perhaps even have a shot at the green jersey?

And yeah, very curious about Cobo. Would love to see him at the Giro, but I’m guessing they save him for the Vuelta, being the course suits him. Movistar (unlike Leaky) has a lot of second-tier climbers they can send to make token efforts in GTs they don’t care so much about.

Start fast, finish fast, and hope you're fast enough-- Cadel Evans

by tgartner on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd expect lots of stage hunting by Movistar

Visconti wil be there and yeah, there’s a bunch of decent climbers who could rate and maybe slip into the GC 2nd 10. Moreno, Madrazo, Kiryienka, Bruseghin, Amador, Samoliau…and then there’s Arroyo.

by ursula on Feb 13, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Cobo is supposed to be

helping Valverde at the Tour and leading at the Vuelta I think. At the Giro they’ll be led by Visconti and Bruseghin, and they’ll give some youngsters a chance too (hopefully including Quintana, though he is perhaps a bit too young). Arroyo is doing the Tour.

by Esteban C on Feb 13, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI

Tejay van Garderen finished 35th overall in the 2010 Vuelta and 82nd in the Tour this year, so he definitely has the legs to finish Grand Tours.

by snjekyll on Feb 13, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I forgot about that Vuelta, and I totally scanned the final results for last year’s Tour without seeing his name.

by Aly Edge on Feb 13, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This year's Tour would really suit Tejay well...

With his strong TTing and slightly meh climbing. But do they have room for him on the squad, dunno.

Start fast, finish fast, and hope you're fast enough-- Cadel Evans

by tgartner on Feb 13, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Never to early for some speculation.

There’s no better way to burn time than to speculate and anticipate racing. Even though there are smaller races to discuss they are there to provide fuel for speculation regarding the races we really love.

Although i do have to say no one should ignore the spring classics, when will the idle speculation for them begin?!

by tc345 on Feb 13, 2012 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing's stopping a fan of those races from making such a post

But it seems like there’s less to speculate when it comes to single-day races. Nothing about them changes in any meaningful way from year to year. Bradley Wiggins has a much better chance to win the Tour de France this year than he did last; pretty sure Philippe Gilbert is still the odds-on freaking favorite at the Amstel.

by Aly Edge on Feb 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

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