A friendly reminder... Don't use the c-word!
by majope on Feb 13, 2012 1:10 PM EST
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(They don't like it--and have let us know.)
Picture of Euskaltel-Euskadi in action at the Tour de France 2011: By VirtKitty [CC-BY-SA-2.0 (www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0)], via Wikimedia Commons
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Albertina has her own barbie now?
big time.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
If you're feeling neglected
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
Perhaps “ant” can feature in my Barbie scene that you will owe me when I kick your butt in the FSA DS for ladies?
moo
That could be arranged...
…in the hypothetical alternate universe where you could possibly kick my butt in the FSA DS-W.
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
another idea: the loser has to wear the cow slippers that Jens has been wearing all year?
Maybe we can brainstorm at the “last night for VDS submission” dance party?
moo
That sounds like fun.
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
not one bit
i’m just happy for Albertina.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
I see they are sold out
I think ant1 bought them all so you couldn’t use it.
I was told there'd be no math.
Given her refusal to confirm that the mini marmots will not be hurt, I think this was a wise move
It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"
Shouldn't he have more bandages?
"I’m pretty disappointed, but if this is what people want to see, a race decided on a downhill," Andy Schleck said. "I don’t think that. A finish like this should not be allowed."
Really?
I think I will remove their riders from my team so I don’t “slip up” and say the wrong thing.They should be pretty much invisible after I do that.
On a public forum this seems a bit much for what is essentially a term of endearment from fans.
Hmm
But if they don’t like this term of endearment? And, they’ve taken the time to tell us that they don’t? It just seems like good manners – and niceness! – to respect their request.
~ Gavia ~
I'm sure
many other riders don’t like some of the things they get called here as well.But try telling people to stop it.They asked and I will comply in the way that is easiest for me.It just seems odd on a public fan forum.
really? So if Lance Armstrong emails and says he wants us to stop calling him an asshole, we should oblige out of niceness
man, what is happening to the Internets….
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
And poor Riccardo Ricco... imagine how badly we've hurt HIS feelings!
Start fast, finish fast, and hope you're fast enough-- Cadel Evans
the way i look at it
i have nothing against the euskies, and if there’s any possibility of them interacting with us in the future, i think it’d be best to not piss them off. lance and dicco on the other hand, i couldn’t give a damn about their opinion of us.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Eh..
For me there’s a difference between being intentionally critical and snarky and using a term as an “endearment” that a team finds offensive and that we know they find offensive.
I suppose now that everyone knows the team hates it, if you want to keep doing it, that’s your call. Like, I don’t know, maybe you hate the Euskies as much as you hate Armstrong. It’s not like I’m going to ban someone for it or something stupid like that.
It’s kind of a lame joke anyway. Lazy, like, oh look! Their jerseys are orange! They must be carrots! Really, we can do way better than that.
~ Gavia ~
It's also an abbreviation of Euskadi
I could see French people getting upset at being called “Frenchies” (and other examples aplenty)
franchement
on s’en fout
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
that's illegal
eating them on the other hand is delicious.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
by ant1 on Feb 13, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You understand that the origin is not so endearing, right?
It was the Matt Lloyd quote from the TdF a couple of years ago—you can see why they might find it offensive.
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
That not withstanding
I still think this is a bit much (& I’m not entirely sure I’ve ever compared a rider to a root vegetable ever, unless you count Swedes). Are you telling me, for instance, we can’t say that Garmin are evil? Or that Sky are instrument of Rupert/James Murdoch’s plans for world domination?
"Frankly it's a bit depressing that year after year you see teams and riders disappearing. All the while you see the governing body regulating saddle angles and what colour overshoes you're allowed to wear." Emma Pooley on the UCI
Please try not to blow this out of proportion.
Chris has asked, repeatedly, that we not use this one particular term that the folks at Euskaltel-Euskadi told him that they find hurtful. In general, people have gotten better about not doing so, but it came up again today so it seemed worth throwing together a gentle reminder.
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
I did not know that
(I thought you meant a different C-word….)
Aka Pigeons!
by Sarah Connolly on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
at this rate
eventually we won’t be allowed to use any words that start with c.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
kut it out
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well done Chris.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
At the rate of 1 every 6 years, it will take us over 21,000 years just to get through the words starting with 'ca.'
But yes, eventually we could run out.
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
so you're saying,
anyone who’s offended can call them c*nts, and the rest of us can call them the Euskies? Seems a bit harsh.
; )
how about the ska boys? (Even comes with a sound track of Basque ska.)
And actually, was it “carrots” or more specifically “bleeding carrots” that was giving them misery? I seem to remember that the constant conjunction of carrots, cut carrots, bleeding carrots might have tweaked their superstitions, or even (going out on a limb here) made them suspect imputations (or something like that) RE their manhood. If we called them the upright carrots, perhaps all would be forgiven!
"It is unfortunate that the Wall is not plugged in correctly."
I don't think the nuances are important
As I interpret it: the PR guy simply saw that his sponsor’s name wasn’t mentioned.
I'm all for niceness, and I don't talk about the Euskaltel guys much, but...
I guess the question for me is if their reputation for crashing a lot is deserved. Cause if it is, that’d be something deserving of a nickname. But I suspect it’s not.
Start fast, finish fast, and hope you're fast enough-- Cadel Evans
No
We can have fun, talk shit about teams, etc. This is simply a case of a small(ish) team getting its sponsor’s name disparaged a bit too much. Sky and Garmin get loads of positive press compared to Euskaltel, so they can afford to have way more running jokes aimed at them.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Adding
this blog has been running six years and this is the first time we’ve ever had a team ask us to kill off a hurtful meme. I am guessing it’ll be another six years, minimum, before the next one. It’s not a trend!
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Did I miss something?
I may have missed the post wherein the request from the “Gentlemen Riders from Basque Country Who Wear Orange” was published.
(Link to Monty Python’s “Knights who until recently said ‘Ni!’” not posted, bec I’m still trying to understand the new posting rules.)
"His grandma must have been a sight to see on the descents." - Jens
That's why it's being reposted, and linked to, now.
"It is unfortunate that the Wall is not plugged in correctly."
it's a World Tour team. We're calling them a vegetable.
I don’t know what I’m more stunned at: the fact that they even care about what DDIFP are calling them, or that their concern is actually being registered here?
The PdC commentators have done a masterful job of spewing snark all over this board without getting personal. We’ve been far more “over the line” flogging riders, such as Bubble Boy. I could understand if he got pissed off and wrote a letter asking us to calm down on the eskimo cracks. But Euskatel is a team. This is sports. I don’t want to dial down my snark levels on an Internet forum. that is what internet forums are for.
PopUp – we need your orange asterisk thingy back.
It's more understandable
if the inuit – isn’t that the preferred nomenclature? – community got pissed and wrote to letter distancing themselves from Danielson.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Feb 13, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
What goes
in the chat is different from what’s acceptable in a front page post. I’m not going to police comments. They’ve asked us to refrain, but that doesn’t mean people have to say yes.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
and they're a little too skinny to be called pumpkins.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
onomonopia, i like
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Onomatopoeia, actually.
Here’s an entertaining overview, in English.
"His grandma must have been a sight to see on the descents." - Jens
How about "sweet potatoes"???
"Englutch, the official language of the Podium Cafe (from January to April)" -Chris Fontecchio
Movistar don't fall quite as much.
Dirk Hofman Motorhomes
by professorfate on Feb 13, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yo:
Dear Sir,
We are Euskaltel Euskadi team, not Bunch of Carrots… Please, we think that you must be respectful with our cyclists and sponsors
Thanks,
Jesus
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions
We had a
friendly exchange, but he mentioned that it was hurtful to the riders.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I could give you Vino riding a dolphin
my third most watched picture on flickr in a matter of hours
Coffee cures all. ~ Gav
That picture is FULL of awesome
"Englutch, the official language of the Podium Cafe (from January to April)" -Chris Fontecchio
Googling Vinokourov dolphin yielded nothing...
I did stumble upon that though:
by FrenchKheldar on Feb 14, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
How cool is that?!
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Haha, that is so cool,
and it’s now my new desktop wallpaper, hope you don’t mind( Actually l think my old background was a picture you posted here as well; the one with Rujano sneaking a peak at the umbrella girl;-)
I can't decide whether it's awesome
or deeply scary.
The Dark Lord takes over the world. With dolphins.
"These are my principles and if you don't like them....well I have others." Groucho Marx
Every time you say carrot
an Euskaltel rider crash.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Feb 13, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Every time you eat a carrot...
…your eyesight gets better.
"I love the guys that everyone else in the peloton hate to see hit the front." sminer
Sure
When he needs a solid, he knows who to call.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Uh-uh.
Chris will represent the fishes.
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
by majope on Feb 13, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Every lawyer wants that job
Two loaves, five fishes, 5,000 people. That’s what you Yankees call class action, right?
(On the original topic, missed this totally, but happy to oblige a friendly team doing good things).
by EdredonBrowny on Feb 13, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I've never ussed the term myself, but I missed this totally, too.
,,,happy to oblige a friendly team doing good things
Absolutely. That says it all, for me.
When did this happen?
Mind = boggled.
This term has been at the forefront of basically every live thread I’ve ever been in (admittedly, not that long, but still) for a race that involved this team.
last fall
I think they’re trying to push back where they can. Ours is a reasonable-minded forum, so there you go.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
loose lips sink religions
by the way, she’s a local where i’m from
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Seriously?
No women even cast a glance at Jesus’ grave in the time it took those three ladies to sail all the way from France to Egypt?
Coffee cures all. ~ Gav
the two countries were closer back then
continental drift’s a bitch.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
Email back and tell him we'll stop with the carrot stuff, if they drop Astarloza
C’mon Chris, broker a deal here!
They could make it go away
by using a different colour for a while. Albertina would need to change her entire wardrobe…
After this year, they might
Orange is Euskaltel’s (the phone company) color. The Basque flag is actually red, white, and green.
She's gone to pink recently.
But ’cross season is almost over.
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
Blerg
But if they just use the flag itself… maybe too provocative? Anyway, the colors can work, just not in that scheme.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
You should see the Biarritz away rugby jersey
It’s just a basque flag, draped over a huge separatist sportsman.
Reminds me of a couple interviews with Imanol and pals…
I've looked at several Euskie (is that still ok?) jerseys
And it seems those emblems have always been there.
Found another odd one, though
That’s from 1999, after Euskaltel joined as a sponsor, yet it’s…blue and white?
Aren't those jerseys from past teams of those riders?
There’s an orange Euskie jersey on one of them (Laiseka Jaio, Roberto)
"It is unfortunate that the Wall is not plugged in correctly."
Basically, I'm ok with this...
… someone who has done nothing wrong is asking us not to call them names they dont like. And they are doing it politely. In normal life, the response would be “oh, sorry, of course.”
Sometimes being on the internet does tend to intermediate one’s natural sense of politeness.
However, since I am English and the only way we can converse with other people at all is by being rude about them (otherwise we might have to have an actual conversation, ye gods) I now have to think about a different way to make it clear that while I may like them, I sure as hell am not going to show it.
Perhaps “starroc” works?
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
Remember, he is an addict, that could be messing with his head!!
I’m pretty much convinced that you’re all batshit insane there. ~gavia~
"real" pro cycling people read here? why?
And why are there red peppers on the table in the Barbie pic?
I used to ride a Orbea Mitis. It’s orange. Like a carrot.
Ted did try to tell me he thought the carrots should be a brighter orange
but Chris said the interns were all busy whipping up stats for the cobbles season, and he couldn’t spare any to paint them. Then Gav said she’d spent the last of the art budget on a new set of Crayola 64s, so she couldn’t approve a new set of carrots and I’d just have to make do. I said she shouldn’t have used her last box of crayons to wax her surfboard, and things got sort of ugly from there.
You don’t want to know what it’s really like behind the scenes here.
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
Indeed
Frankly my whole objection to this subject is the way people have defined the other colored carrots out of existence. Have you non-Seattle fancy grocery store people even seen purple, red and yellow carrots? I blame Bugs Bunny, myself.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 13, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
i can only imagine
it’s not easy supporting Gav’s sex wax usage.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
oh, I was kidding
except for the part about the Orbea in CCC Polsat colors.
Actually, I used to cheer for Mayo at the Tour in the Postal juggernaut years.
I have a 2004 Orbea Euskaltel replica
But I still call them carrots. Not bleeding ones, that’s not nice. But I can’t think of anything else to call them.
What if I don't listen to their request?
like how I would ignore the Lakers request to stop using their name in derogatory fashion? Carrot? Don’t think I’ve ever used it but seems like it’s incredibly silly to be offended by such things. But hey, at first I thought the C meant crash, guess they rather be known as the team that constantly has riders crash. (I challenge Eusky to find any non-Basque fan of theirs bigger than Albertina, who uses the term).
"Weltmeister!!" Zwei mal: 2010-2011...und weiter gehts
Oh, My! Such a sensitivity! Poor gentle creature formerly known as Carrots!
No more my dear ex vegetables! No more! I promise! From now one I will cal them " Just another Spanish Team" ( Or this is not acceptable, also? )
And our poor Albertina! Her free flowing river of the Leffe just dried out in a front of her eyes!
In loving memory of the HTC- Highroad
.
I actually suspect a conspiracy. Chris receives a communication from the Euskies and Albertina disappears!
Very, very suspicious. And whilst they’ll always be carrots to me, I’ll find a more acceptable term of endearment.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I am afraid to slip up!
So I will not say that word, even at home!
Bu the way one of my favorite dishes is rabbit in blip souse, and of course, blip cake, how can I forget blip cake!
In loving memory of the HTC- Highroad
.
Hello! I'm here! I am alive and well and have not been abducted :)
Just a bit busy this week, that’s all!
It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"
Just as well :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I'd be a little careful about calling them Spanish!
It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"
by Albertina on Feb 14, 2012 3:50 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
+1
I want to live.
"These are my principles and if you don't like them....well I have others." Groucho Marx
I was brave and clicked the link. Yay!
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
I think is a branding thing
They want to be known as traffic furniture?
by RollinRollinRolland on Feb 14, 2012 2:56 AM EST reply actions
Jebus I don't envy the PR flacks their job sometimes
Don Quixote de la Bilbao, waging war against internet memes. Good luck with that.
by Jens on Feb 14, 2012 3:08 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
truly
the fact this bit of whining didn’t bring on the internet equivolent of a full nuclear assualt on a corner of the world that might or might not be part of Spain (a bit confusing that and I probably just insulted someone) is a sign this is the most civilized forum on the planet.
Can we just use this:
}}}===>
Instead of the actual word?
Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco
Or maybe karotten instead?
Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco
I got really confused for a minute.
All I could think about was this (very good) Basque novel!
It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"
That's the closest I could get to a carrot
Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco
kind of a complement
Although both have been around long enough not to like each other.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 14, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
See this is where GreenEdge are smart
See, if they made their kit all green, we’d be calling them Celery Sticks by now.
Imagine the furor…
by RollinRollinRolland on Feb 14, 2012 3:52 AM EST reply actions
I prefer zucchinis...they even have those yellow flowers...green and gold.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
But it could be fun. Celery is too much of a challenge.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Sort of like supporting GE through the mountains? :P
by RollinRollinRolland on Feb 14, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's going to be a challenge :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Okay...I'm leaning towards celery now.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Fine, I’ll refer to the polish team as KKK Polsat. That gives me some interesting ideas for the new team kits too.
hm
that name would not test well with Americans.
De cross gaat out that door.
by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 14, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
i think you missed something in the translation
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
+1
had some nutella crepes this weekend. so good.
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
We could perhaps substitute Brave Basques (BB) for c*****
As in another BB bites the dust.
That way when they are lying bleeding on the road they can know we are thinking noble thoughts about their risk taking instead of ridiculing their bike handling.
I was told there'd be no math.
PS thanks for the reminder since I never saw the original request.
We might need another reminder in the live threads once racing starts for all those who are far too sensible to be here drinking coffee before Omloop. I vote we make Albertina custodian and protector of the BBs finer feelings.
I was told there'd be no math.
Guardian of Brave Basques. I like this. Can I have a special uniform?
It's pronounced "Int-CHOW-stie"
I vote for tiara.
With “BB” spelled out in sparkly orange rhinestones.
I hope you get first pick in the Ed's league just so I can witness your breakdown as your brain struggles with ………. ehhh something else over who to pick.--Jens
It's not orange. And where are the sequins?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
It's quite telling that
This annoys them, but when one of their riders get popped and banned for EPO their first reaction is that the rider will ride for the team again after the suspension. I can think of another word – one that begins with d and ends with opers – that they perhaps like better.
Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger...
by TheFigurehead on Feb 15, 2012 3:38 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
you know how LOL is used all the time when people almost certainly are not?
I really did. Scared the cats.
"It is unfortunate that the Wall is not plugged in correctly."
I tell you one thing... if we stop calling the carrots
they better bloomin deliver the VDS points…
none of this only showing up in the vuelta…
Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously
I thought you were talking about a different c-word
Either way I’m cool as long as ‘vagina’ is still in.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
crack 'n...
Now that I can understand a PR feller being upset about.
I cun't say.
"It's a lovely thing, feeling that momentum. If you're lucky, it's also about grace." Tim Winton
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