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I remain unconvinced that this will make the record books more fair. But if this means the Fuentes thing will (finally) finish playing itself out? About time for that.

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It probably no longer matters, but I'm glad for Ullrich that this is the end of it.

I keep imagine how I’d be with this stuff hanging over my head for so long. Guilty or innocent, I don’t think I’d cope well.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Feb 9, 2012 7:54 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe with this out of the way, he can move on now

I can’t imagine it’s been very easy for him. Tschuss Jan and Viel Gluck!

Focus on easy first. If that's all you get, that ain't half bad - Caballo Blanco

by SpunOut on Feb 9, 2012 8:48 AM EST reply actions  

It passes to Basso? That's irony

One of Danilo Di Luca’s stage wins from 2009 first passed to Franco Pellizotti. I wonder if it will eventually in turn pass to Denis Menchov (third on the day).

by Aly Edge on Feb 9, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

so no contador and no ullrich for the tour this year

should be wide open.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Feb 9, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

Pointless prosecution

As regards the title’s post – I bet there are a lot of footballers and tennis players are happy if Fuentes Gate is closed.

Rafa's on peds

by Maratsafin on Feb 9, 2012 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

At least he didn't fight it or deny it. He seems to be at peace with cycling's truth

I always had a lot of respect for Ullrich, his behaviour with this certainly doesn’t change that opinion.

Others can have fun fighting against the obvious for the rest of their lives.

by LawrenceS on Feb 9, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

as he said himself, he's been waiting 6 years for the verdict....

the monkey is finally off his back :-)
Whatever some will say about him, he inspired me because he kept on coming back, to try to win the TDF, got another kicking from LA, then came back again and again.
Perseverance !

by Austrian_Jez on Feb 9, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

In my mind

this was an enormously talented guy who tried to win clean, but came up against a lesser competitor who used doping to win, and who eventually eventually gave in to the call of doping, only to find that even then he still couldn’t beat the obnoxious Texan.

Sure this is me painting one of my least favourite cyclists in a bad light to put one of my all time favourite cyclists in a good (perhaps better than he deserves) light, but it’s my mind and I can do what I want in there…

"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi

by muk on Feb 9, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

In my mind...

Ullrich resisted the call of doping for at least the first few years

As I said, it is my mind :-)

"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi

by muk on Feb 9, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ja, if there is an innocent victim story here

it is about Ullrich being a product/victim of the East-German top sports system where chemical assistance was the norm not the exception.

by Jens on Feb 10, 2012 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Second in his debut to a doped-to-the-gills TEAMMATE Riis.

I know that you can’t just assume that everyone on a team was doing the same thing, but it doesn’t look great when a team has two massive surprise performances and one of them is shown later to be due to drugs. [#s 3 and 4 that year were also doped to the gills, and Ullrich beat them on his debut.]

Then, in his second tour, he didn’t just beat two doped-to-the-gills riders (Virenque and Pantani), he beat them by the largest margin in 13 years, becoming one of only three men in the history of the young rider competition to win the tour and the white jersey competition. [one of the others was Contador…]

When somebody is THAT unbelievably good so young, AND you know that they doped while in the prime of their career, it’s hard not to assume that they also doped when they were young.

by Wastrel on Feb 11, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I was going to keep going and mention his second year...

But, it just started becoming more distressing considering all the years and all the people involved in all those podiums. I mean…we didn’t see a clean tour until Lance. ducks.

by JustJoshinYa on Feb 11, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Well isn't that the paradox of the sport?

But yes, there’s a danger that looking back, any success can be taken as evidence of cheating, when you know that the people who got beaten were cheating themselves.

I think we can do it sensibly, though, by only picking outliers. Balance up the likelihoods, as it were. To me, the second tour is suspicious not just because he won, but because you’ve got all of “only second year”, “white jersey”, “beat heavily-doped riders”, AND “historic winning margin” all put together.

It’s easier for me, I think, because I’m fairly ignorant of cycling in the nineties – I only started really following the tour in 2006 – and although I vaguely know who people like Indurain and Virenque, and Ullrich and Armstrong were, I didn’t know enough to know who had been caught doing what, except in the most blatent cases. So I can look at those lists with far less distress. Rinero? Boo- (what, Boogard finished 5th in the tour? woah. never knew that. I only knew him from the mid-2000s, when he was a scary-looking superdomestique. didn’t know he’d been that good. (and/or doped? i thought i’d heard something, but the wikipedia page mentions nothing))-gard, Robin, Meier, Nardello, Di Grande, [What, Axel Merkx came 10th in the tour? That surprises me], Escartin, Dufaux, Belli, Peron… names I either haven’t heard or barely recognise, so I’m ignorant or whether or not they doped!

by Wastrel on Feb 11, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Boogerd 5th

in the Festina year when half of the top 10 got sent home.

by tedvdw on Feb 11, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what he wrote on his website as well ...

reading his comments, sounds like he was dammed if he did, damemd if he didn’t …
shame he listenend to his lawyer, else he’d have had 2 years ban, and been back again in 2008 :-(
I hope he finally gets round to writing his autobiography !

by Austrian_Jez on Feb 10, 2012 6:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he'll touch it until people like Kloden have also stopped riding.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Feb 10, 2012 6:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Klöden never doped. He’s just more naturally talented than the others. Says so himself.

by Jens on Feb 10, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I knew you wouldn't be able to resist. :)

Anyway, just my opinion.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Feb 10, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

More people won stages today that races were raced

Congrats to them all

Warning... not everything I say should be taken entirely seriously

by addict on Feb 9, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

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