Deep Thoughts: Monday Edition
Catching up today on CycleSport and their autopsy on the remains of the Pro Tour, I wonder... rather than arguing about how to design a real-life season-long competition, shouldn't we consider the possibility of not having one at all?
Let's face it, all those other year-long sports feature teams playing the same number of games, under roughly the same circumstances. By contrast, every cyclist's season plan is as completely unique as DNA or snowflakes. More importantly, (almost?) no two riders have the same calendar such that their results are worth comparing. Not only is there little learned (or more importantly, little to aspire us fans) from comparing, say, Erik Zabel's season to Alberto Contador's, there's not even much to gain from comparing Cadel Evans' to Contador's. Riders score points where there's a motive and opportunity to do so. Points scored in one subset of the Pro Tour versus another aren't really comparable... but that's all the Pro Tour does.
The only point scoring system that isn't ridiculous is the Cycling Quotient system of counting points in everything. And even there, the system yields a ranking, not a champion. There is no such thing as a season champion in cycling, just a champion of whichever race you care about most.
[On the other hand, the Podium Cafe Virtual Directeur Sportif competition: now that's a real contest.]
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hmhmhm
the thinking here is driven mostly by what will create value for sponsors as well as interest in the entire racing season. (that, and the matter of, that despite all of the lip-service that's paid to cycling being a team sport, it's really set up to provide the major glamor and rewards to individuals).
by R Mc on
Dec 10, 2007 7:35 PM EST
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pro tour makes marketing sense.
by flying dog on
Dec 10, 2007 8:30 PM EST
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Cycling: More like Track than Auto Racing
But car racing is able to get the balance between team and individual better. But different car race competitions tend to have the same type of race month in and month out.
At least until the PC VDS Cup becomes ALL POWERFUL!!!!
TAKE A HIKE UCI!!!! STEP ASIDE ASO!!!!! The Podium Cafe will throw down on all of you chumps!!!!!
by ursula on
Dec 10, 2007 9:36 PM EST
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That's why I voted to keep the VDS as is...
We should lose many of the lesser races, but the format of yearlong, and GT's does better reflect cycling than just a one team affair.
Face it, cycling ain't about the seasonal slog to the superbowl or world series. We at PC basically voted Tony the year's best rider based on about :20 seconds of riding at the end of that stage of the Tour. Sure he won some TT WC, but that charge to the line was what we'll always remember about him.
I voted for Stuey because of his persistence, IN ONE RACE! Cycling is about putting the hammer down in the race that you peak for. LA peaked for the hardest race on the calendar and kicked ass. In the minds of many, he's the baddest of them all (doped on space age polymers or not). Just like Tony's dash, we'll always remember "The Look".
The UCI is trying to sell something it ain't got and they are trying to sell it to Asia and the MidEast... everyone else already has all they want. The ProTour is a figment of a marketer's imagination.
Bike racing is about emotion, the moment and the epic. If you can bring that again and again, then you are a great. Win the KOM 7 times while being a boring jerk and you're just Virenque.
America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt
by ELVISGOAT on
Dec 10, 2007 10:59 PM EST
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pro tour demise
I suppose that in some sense I'm exactly the person that the UCI wanted to target. I live outside Cycling's homeland (in the USA), and I had only a passing knowledge of the sport through watching bits and pieces of the Tour. I'm not sure that without the Pro Tour as a sustained competition which provided a bit of stable familiarity for me from race to race (same teams, even if different riders) I'd have paid as much attention or have gotten to be as hooked as I currently am.
by Uncle Ted on
Dec 10, 2007 11:25 PM EST
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INteresting
The difference is, w/o a league the ball sports might be in trouble. Not so with Cycling: the riders will find the races that matter, as will the best teams, as will the media coverage, and in time even the casual fans. The greatness of the Tour of Flanders is inescapable to anyone who thinks the sport seems interesting and finds this race. And that greatness is more or less unconnected to the greatness of other races.
That said, I hear what you're saying about the entree into the sport. And so too the marketers. It makes it easier to package stuff.
by Chris... on
Dec 11, 2007 12:04 AM EST
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Same situation here
by BDBrian on
Dec 11, 2007 7:50 AM EST
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Whatever it's faults
- More competitive racing with a stronger field in many races that were sometimes uneven in quality before.
- Some long-term stability for teams, making it possible for a lot of teams to race without constantly having an economic knife to their throat.
- A more audience friendly structure to casual and new fans like Uncle Ted (and myself , it took me a couple of years to find Tour of Flanders after getting hooked on the TdF. I just didn't get where it fit in , none of the guys i was used to seing in summer raced and there were no mountains....)
by Jens on
Dec 11, 2007 3:11 AM EST
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Stability
I do like the bank guarantees. Cycling teams are less quick to fold their tent this way and leave riders holding bad checks.
OK, so my premise isn't entirely on...
by Chris... on
Dec 11, 2007 10:31 AM EST
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In America the Tour is a Gateway Drug
But past the Tour, the fans need a Dealer. One who is wise to the ways of what's quality out there. Its not like we are born with the DNA that tells us that the Tour of Flanders is fantastic; we have to find it first. That's what the PT does- or should do if only McQuaid wasn't a first class tool.
But now we are looking at a CART/Indy Car situation times 100. Flanders will always be Flanders but it could be truly a worldwide event that alll sorts of people would love- and with an even higher number of quality riders- if it were only promoted correctly. Course many of its fans like it small. They don't care that other people like the sport.
by ursula on
Dec 11, 2007 10:56 AM EST
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professional cycling
There are some early season minor races, and then 4 of the 5 monuments explode within one month. Then it turns into Grand Tour season . . . and I'm still not sure what to do with the end of the season--by the time Lombardy rolls around what should be a climax of the season is usually an "oh well . . ."
Part of what boggles my mind is that in effect, you have to become 3 or 4 separate types of fan.
by R Mc on
Dec 11, 2007 11:23 AM EST
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good point
The spring classics are well defined and self contained. The courses make those races.
The TdF defines the second part of the season--the races that lead up to it, and then it's the super bowl of cycling.
The Giro is a nice counterpoint to the tour, sort of a parallel universe TdF.
After the Tour, the season is pretty anti-climactic in my opinion. The Worlds are the pro-bowl of cycling. The Olympics has a similar vibe for me.
I think the ProTour just didn't add anything to the calendar. I doubt many cycling fans were biting their nails over who would claim the protour jersey this past season.
by KevinK on
Dec 11, 2007 2:00 PM EST
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I think that's just the point
You can't market your way out of that. I too was attracted to the tour (back in the Lemond era) and only discovered the classics in the late 90's. But boy when I did...
America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt
by ELVISGOAT on
Dec 11, 2007 3:57 PM EST
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A Thought
To make that transformation from a bunch of discrete individual races into a coherant series took more than just designating that a certain group of races should be lumped together. Other marketing strategies had to be employed such as the year end gala dinner in NYC- hardly in the center of the NASCAR fandom but near the nation's media. Other marketing moves happened also that were positive in nature. The NASCAR honchos made sure that the races benefited from their efforts (more profits).
Basically the opportunity is there for there to be a high profile PT- but UCI just doesn't have the vision.
by ursula on
Dec 11, 2007 4:36 PM EST
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but NICECAR takes place
America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt
by ELVISGOAT on
Dec 11, 2007 6:16 PM EST
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But
And if you start following cross then you get a seemless carry over from October to February, with a briefly refreshing break before Het Volk. What could be better?
by Drew on
Dec 11, 2007 12:44 PM EST
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Perception/reality
The PT's more concrete benefit is something entirely different: the access for teams to race entries, and the bank guarantees behind the teams. These are two different forms of assurance for things that, in most cases, were going to happen anyway. CSC will probably pay their bills for the foreseeable future, and no race organizer in their right mind would fail to send them an invite. But there are dicier teams, whose riders aren't sure of being paid (COAST anyone??), and as we saw this year, there are teams that won't get invited to everything (Unibet anyone?) for reasons either good or questionable.
To me, I appreciate the latter more than the former, since I've been a fan for a while. But the latter is INFINITELY harder to pull off. The former doesn't mean all that much to me, but despite the origin of this post, it could be asked, why not?
by Chris... on
Dec 11, 2007 3:08 PM EST
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Free wool jersey?
by Drew on
Dec 11, 2007 3:12 PM EST
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If you win
by Chris... on
Dec 11, 2007 5:27 PM EST
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I never saw an email
How 'bout a Fresca?
by Drew on
Dec 12, 2007 9:13 AM EST
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