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Tour de Georgia: Stage Two (starts 11a, EDT)

[editor's note, by chris] Since people are already using this for the live commenting, let's stay with it.

Well, Daniele Contrini (Tinkoff) won first stage of the 2007 Tour de Georgia. While it was a decisive win (:29) over second place Doug Ollerenshaw (Health Net), there's only 1'22 between him and the rest of the peloton. So he'll have to work pretty damn hard to keep his yellow jersey out of the hands of the likes of Tom Danielson, Pat McCarty, and Ivan Dominguez.

From a TdG press release:

The 33-year-old Contrini said it was "the biggest win of his career", when asked about the significance of the victory. He said the win also helped set up his team leader Tyler Hamilton of the United States. "We (Tinkoff) basically talked this morning and we only had six guys versus two guys down to start with but we knew there would be a relatively early breakaway and it was clear we wanted to have at least one rider in that breakaway. .... Luckily for us (Daniele) Contrini got in the break... and that was it."

Amusingly, the press release goes on to say that Hamilton is "best known as the gold medalist in the Time Trial at the Athens Olympic Games[.]" Really, now? I think I'll just let that stand on its own.

In addition to the leader's jersey, Contrini also won the most sprint points. The sprint jersey, however, will be worn by Viktor Rapinsky (who hit the wall in a really unfortunate way right near the end, not only losing his place in the breakaway, but ultimately a full minute on the peloton). Ben Day gets the Most Aggressive Rider jersey. The Best Young Rider jersey went to Australia's Tommy Nankervis (Jittery Joe's). If the race video had worked, I might be able to tell you why. But since it didn't, I've no clue. So make up your own story.

Stage 2 will be tougher than Stage 1. Not only is it longer (135 miles), but the first half is something of an uphill run. Leaving Thomaston at 11:00 a.m., it is to finish between 4:00-5:00 p.m. Not only are there are two sprint points opportunities (Newnan and Rockmart) in this stage, but the initial lap of the finishing circuit in Rome brings us the first King of the Mountain points.

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So a team's PR people
are supposed to highlight the negative things?

by Toyota on Apr 17, 2007 12:59 AM EDT   0 recs

Well
it was a race, and not a team, release. So it doesn't get the pass of being team-boosterism. In any event, you can certainly highlight his accomplishments without bolstering it with such an obviously untrue superlative. It's sorta like introducing Bill Clinton as "the President that never lied to you!" when you could have introduced him as the "President who presided over the best economy in X years" or "the man that could probably win a third term!" You've got enough else to stand on that you just really don't have to go there in the first place.

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 9:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I missed that it was a race release
But still, the comment about Hamilton may be true, that he is best known for his Olympic gold medal.

The Olympics are still far bigger than even the Tour de France or cycling.

Winning a gold medal is the highlight of most any athlete's career.  And for most people, Hamilton's not being stripped of his gold medal surely means that he is still the gold medalist beyond the mere title, whatever you or I may think with more reason to be suspicious.

Some may suspect that Hamilton doped his entire career.  He wouldn't be the only one, not by a long shot.  So again, just what is a race organizer supposed to highlight as his career greatest win, some high school criterium?

by Toyota on Apr 17, 2007 10:25 AM EDT   0 recs

Olympics yes
but Olympic time trials bigger than the Tour? I know I live in a bubble where the Tour is shown on big screens in public parks, but surely the rest of the nation knows Hamilton more for his broken-collarbone Tour than his TT medal (putting aside the doping elephant). The Olympics may be huge, but cycling is lost in a haze of track, gymnastics and "Dream Team" nonsense. I bet the Tour plays in Peoria these days.
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by Chris... on Apr 17, 2007 11:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That stage is the one I always think of
when it comes to Tyler, even before all the doping allegations.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There is no way
that Hamilton got more publicity generally in the U.S. for his broken collarbone than for his Olympic gold medal.

It's not even close.

Very few Americans even watch the Tour.

Now if we just look at the population of cycling fans, then sure most fans remember the broken collarbone.

While most cyclists no doubt would prefer overall Tour victory to an Olympic gold medal, they tend to value an Olympic gold medal more than a Tour stage win.  Olympic gold is huge to any athlete...and obviously far more rare than a Tour stage win.

by Toyota on Apr 17, 2007 12:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok . .
I spent a few minutes trolling through Lexis/Nexis and however most americans remember Hamilton, the news services clearly favor id'ing him as "Olympic Gold medallist," or, "disputed Olympic gold medallist."

by R Mc on Apr 17, 2007 1:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I'm
hanging on the "best known for" phrasing. Highlight and call the Olympics his greatest achievement ever. That's fine. But the "best known for . . . " just invites exactly the conversation that's occurred here.

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 11:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It is debatable that Hamilton
is best known for doping.

I seriously don't think he is.

I doubt that most people who know the name even know that he was banned for doping.  In fact, people have regularly left entries at his web site expressing surprise that he had been banned.

by Toyota on Apr 17, 2007 12:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just rolled into
their neutral start. Video and audio not up yet but at least today they have a few lines saying that they are not supposed to up yet. Ticker is going though.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:04 AM EDT   0 recs

Doh.
Crash in the peloton. Before the neutral start. Man. Not a good way to start the day . . .

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 11:22 AM EDT   0 recs

Lol.. someone needs to tell jittery joes to
hand out a little more coffee before the start tomorrow to make sure everyone is awake.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:23 AM EDT   0 recs

And we're off.
Didn't realize that Jason McCartney was in the hospital. Apparently sick.

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 11:23 AM EDT   0 recs

That sucks,
what bad timing.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:25 AM EDT   0 recs

A crash in the neutral start!?
Was Hincapie or Zabriskie involved?

;)

by JohnSFO on Apr 17, 2007 11:32 AM EDT   0 recs

Anyone see
Haussler starting?
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:34 AM EDT   0 recs

New Toy
Firefox has a split browser addon now that will allow you to have the race thread open in one side and the Tour tracker open in the other side. The Left side is a static page with no Tabs but it is refreshable without having to jump from one window to the other.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:37 AM EDT   0 recs

Here you go
Split  Pannel
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:41 AM EDT   0 recs

Anyone familiar
with the streaming audio playing in the race radio right now?
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:41 AM EDT   0 recs

don't know the music
It's apparently some guy's ipod. Not sure why they're doing it (esp. considering that they're technically liable for webcasting copyright fees, now . . .).

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 11:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

now where's the plugin to
actually make the tracker work? (Seriously, all credit to Allan Padget there, who seems to really be on top of things. It's the broadcast mobile link that doesn't seem to be worth a damn.)

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 11:42 AM EDT   0 recs

Are you on the
http://www.tourdegeorgiatracker.com/ website?
It appears to be working ok for me today.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup.
It's working in that I'm on it. But no video, of course, and the cell link to the GPS is making the tracking pretty useless. You getting something different than that? (I'm MB, in the chat, btw.)

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 11:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I am seeing the tracking on the map pretty
well. What works for me is that if you click which "car" you want to follow it will stay on that so you do not have to do anything with it. I have not checked out the chat area yet. I have only audio over the race radio button right now and it is streaming some music right now.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

CN reports riders in crash were from
Predictor-Lotto, Saunier Duval, and the USA Cycling Development team. also Kirk O'Bee of the Health Net team. Are Bobby J's criticisms of the caliber of the  domestic riders in this and the ToC valid? I've forgotten, what caused George's crash in ToC?

by shnabors on Apr 17, 2007 11:46 AM EDT   0 recs

Break is away with 12 riders
not sure on any time gaps yet.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:50 AM EDT   0 recs

All together again
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 11:53 AM EDT   0 recs

love this new split browser toy,
works great, thanks C-dale. will be very handy for a lot of other stuff i do.

by shnabors on Apr 17, 2007 11:59 AM EDT   0 recs

Three man break may
be going now, actually made it up to about 30 seconds.
Austin King, Glen Alan Chadwick, Garrett Peltonen
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 12:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Video
now showing stuff, Commercial..Garmin Edge
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 12:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Break out to over 1.40
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 12:15 PM EDT   0 recs

What exactly do they mean
by "coming soon"?
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by Chris... on Apr 17, 2007 1:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha!!!
That is a good one.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My race ticker is not even
updating right now. I have the commercials running and the map is working but no ticker.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 2:18 PM EDT   0 recs

There are two tickers
at http://www.cyclingfans.com/

They also explain what the problems were yesterday getting live streaming.

Looks like the problems continue.  Argh.

by Toyota on Apr 17, 2007 2:24 PM EDT   0 recs

The business of live streaming
The Adobe rep on cyclingfans chided the Tour de France for not providing free video on their website, but I'm wondering how they would benefit?  They sell the broadcast rights, do they not?  As much as I'd like to see the race live on the internet for free, I can't see why they would want to provide it.  Just idle curiosity on my part I suppose.  

by ghisallo on Apr 17, 2007 2:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Clash of two
business models really, the old network syndicating type vs the new broadband up and coming type. Give it ten years and the latter will be more prevalent and the ad dollars will be spent more there than on the networks. Already you can watch most of your favorite TV shows on line.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 2:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Giro rights are sold too
but don't they provide free video on their site?

The benefits should be obvious.  You attract more attention to your event.  And no one is going to mistake a postage-stamp video window for TV.

Besides, TV broadcast rights and internet rights surely are sold separately.  How else would cycling.tv be in the game?

by Toyota on Apr 17, 2007 2:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah, that makes sense
And I can imagine all races, even local ones, eventually "broadcasting" live on the internet.  In the long run, I'll bet it's more profitable to go around the tv networks and taking the video straight to the audience.  The networks are essentially just middle men at this point.  Interesting discussion.  thanks.

by ghisallo on Apr 17, 2007 3:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gap dropping like a rock
now down to 6 minutes. It looks like the sprinters will want to test their legs today. The finishing laps sound pretty tough though, it may come down to who has the best strategy.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 2:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Peloton crash
Levi, among others, involved. All got back up and going, but Mike Sayers (part of yesterday's breakaway) abandoned shortly after.

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 3:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Levi and another disco rider
in a small crash. Up and riding again.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT   0 recs

We have video!!!
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT   0 recs

Video appears to be working
I hope this statement doesn't curse it.

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT   0 recs

Me too!
Do you have corresponding audio? I just have silent pictures, which isn't a bad thing for the office.
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by Chris... on Apr 17, 2007 3:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No audio at all
and it looks like I should have kept my mouth shut about the video.

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 3:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

George sighting
Sporting the stripes.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT   0 recs

hooray!
I have video as well.

by JohnSFO on Apr 17, 2007 3:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Gap coming down still
3:15 now.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 3:46 PM EDT   0 recs

peloton
stretched out pretty good.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 3:46 PM EDT   0 recs

I love the info
at the bottom of the tracker. Especially the part about when the catch is going to take place.
Got a problem? Va fa Napoli!

by Chris... on Apr 17, 2007 3:49 PM EDT   0 recs

And someday
when this info is available on everyone's handlebars, the catch will always take place in the last 2km.
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by Chris... on Apr 17, 2007 3:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've got audio
it just sounds like it is two miles away.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 3:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Speaking of which...
does anyone know how to turn the audio off?  The volume control under the video seems to have disappeared.  

by Hons on Apr 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You may have to reload your window
to get the controls back.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Video
must be off of the ticker because they are saying that there are only two riders left in the break and they are close to being caught
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Anyone getting audio that is worth
a crap?
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Mine
is pretty staticy and it sounds like they are commentating from a dance club somewhere.  

And the commentating makes me really appreciate Anthony and Brian that much more.  

by Hons on Apr 17, 2007 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

x- nay

by shnabors on Apr 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, it is 2.35
back to the peloton. It was the dropped rider about to get caught
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Chadwick going it
on his own now, King has started to crack.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT   0 recs

On his own with as difficult as the
finish is it does not look like his chances are very good.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:25 PM EDT   0 recs

gap drops to 1.30
he'll surely be caught

by JohnSFO on Apr 17, 2007 4:29 PM EDT   0 recs

1 minute gap
as Chadwick hits the city limits of Rome.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:36 PM EDT   0 recs

Does anyone know
who the commentators are?

by Hons on Apr 17, 2007 4:36 PM EDT   0 recs

I think that
one is Dave Towle, and the other is Mike something.

by Sui Juris on Apr 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Heck I can barley hear them at all.
I have to say that I did not care for them yesterday.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:37 PM EDT   0 recs

15km to go
45 second gap.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:39 PM EDT   0 recs

30 secs

by JohnSFO on Apr 17, 2007 4:41 PM EDT   0 recs

Video is way behind the race....
they are showing the two no mans land riders still.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:42 PM EDT   0 recs

10 seconds
as he hit the circuits.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:43 PM EDT   0 recs

The catch...
Health net up front with 6 riders driving the group.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:45 PM EDT   0 recs

2 laps to go.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:48 PM EDT   0 recs

OK, I give up
I can't take the shouting heads any longer.  

by ghisallo on Apr 17, 2007 4:48 PM EDT   0 recs

I thought
this was cycling, not wrestling.  

by Hons on Apr 17, 2007 4:49 PM EDT   0 recs

They ust have grabbed these guys
from some motorcross arena. There are very few things that are more annoying than when he starts his "2TOGO2TOGO2TOGO" spiel.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:51 PM EDT   0 recs

1 lap to go
There he goes again.
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by Clydesdale on Apr 17, 2007 4:53 PM EDT   0 recs

I thougth
that was a blip in the audio feed.  He's actually saying that!!!!  [shaking head]

by Hons on Apr 17, 2007 4:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Damn
holy mother, who is this friggin guy?
Suffering is good for the soul.

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