Le Tour '07: Stage 12 Live!

by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 1:40 AM EDT in News Comment 77 comments

Lots of subplots this morning. In the green jersey chase, Tom Boonen will be nervously eyeing that cat-2 hill toward the day's end. Milram and Barloworld will want to put him under pressure... provided their own sprinters can get over the thing. In the main event, nobody in their right mind will want to do anything on the eve of the time trial and the Pyrenees... which is where Alexandre Vinokourov comes in. He showed his true colors today: attack at all costs, against all reason. Vino knows how to race smartly from the front, but since he no longer has that luxury, it's back to the old aggressive Vino, to see who he can crack. Interestingly, there will be a huge collective temptation to ignore him, and at 8.05 back you can almost justify it. But letting him back in the race would hurt a lot more than ganging up to chase him down.

There are a lot of guys waking up now, hoping a suitable break gets away and stays there, so the contenders for all the various titles still up for grabs can take it easy, one last day.

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13:45 CEST 32km/146.5km to go
There is a break of seven riders clear...stand by.
Current situation

* Alessandro Ballan (Lampre-Fondital), Laurent Lefèvre (Bouygues Telecom), Staf Scheirlinckx (Cofidis), Manuel Beltrán (Liquigas), Matteo Tosatto (Quickstep-Innergetic), David Millar (Saunier Duval-Prodir) and Moisés Dueñas (Agritubel)
* Peloton at ?

America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 20, 2007 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Millar off the front again?

gotta hand it to the guy, he's been relentless this year.

by Scott. on Jul 20, 2007 8:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Should have looked at your last

update ElvisG, the latest from CN is

Pierrick Fédrigo (Bouygues Telecom) and Amets Txurruka (Euskaltel-Euskadi) out front, 3.58 ahead of the peloton

66.5km/112km to go

by Scott. on Jul 20, 2007 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good morning, everyone!

Ongarato (MRM) abandoned shortly after the start.

I have the best job in the world. I mean, I get paid to hurt other people!! How much better can it get? -Jens Voigt, Philosopher, 05/27/06

by Ruthann on Jul 20, 2007 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ong.

Abandoned by ambulance, I think. They showed a brief clip on TV. He was on the ground holding his shoulder and being attended to by the doctor.

The only one I can remember tnis year abandoning in the stuff this for a game of soldiers way that you or I might abandon was Cavendish.

by Monty. on Jul 20, 2007 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My lame attempt at stirring up controversy

someone wrote in to CN with an assessment of how the TTs will affect the race based on last year's TT results, including a complete breakdown of last year's time differentials. CN published the viewer's letter in the live update for today's race. Is somebody lifting Kevin et al's hard work here at the PC and sending it in to CN as their own? Inquiring minds want to know.

by Scott. on Jul 20, 2007 9:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow

That's obnoxious. Kevin, write in to CN.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

just to clarify, what is posted in the CN

live update is NOT identical to Kevin's work. I just found it eerily similar in that not many people would make such an effort. Like I said, I was making a lame attempt...

by Scott. on Jul 20, 2007 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

were the numbers the same?

Based on my TdF team performance so far, I'd say my numbers aren't worth copying!

-K-

by KevinK on Jul 20, 2007 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, I've noticed

that some of the topics that get kicked around here end up being discussed elsewhere, even on TV. That's either because people here are on the cutting edge, and the conversations we have resonate, or the cycling universe is so small, that everyone is naturally drawn to the same concepts at the same time.

-K-

by KevinK on Jul 20, 2007 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, the numbers are not the same,

just the concept. I agree though with your assessment of the influence the PC might have elsewhere and the small community we share. I too have read lots of comments on other forums that sound a lot like what people have said here. Whether that's coincidence or not I have no clue.

by Scott. on Jul 20, 2007 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Peloton at 9.12; 94km to go

by Scott. on Jul 20, 2007 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

While we're waiting . . .

Check out this story on rebranded/non-sponsor components being used by the teams this Tour.

by Sui Juris on Jul 20, 2007 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

10:10 gap to the peloton,

48 mi/77.8k to go. Markus Burkquart out in no-man's land at about 5:30 in back of Fedrigo and Txurruka.

I have the best job in the world. I mean, I get paid to hurt other people!! How much better can it get? -Jens Voigt, Philosopher, 05/27/06

by Ruthann on Jul 20, 2007 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Also from CN

Prudhomme had a press conference this morning, ticked off about the timing of the Danish Federation's release of the news about Rasmussen. It seems he has a point, considering that he was allowed ride the Danish national championships on July 1st, despite the Federation's knowledge of the missed tests.

by Scott. on Jul 20, 2007 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Technical difficulties

Dunno what's up. Surely it's not because the race is that boring. They tried to show it and the picture broke up. So it's the Discovery wives now: Podium Gal, Odessa, n/s who's next.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Phil says that Txurruka is the

lightest rider in the race. That is really saying something, considering the company.

I have the best job in the world. I mean, I get paid to hurt other people!! How much better can it get? -Jens Voigt, Philosopher, 05/27/06

by Ruthann on Jul 20, 2007 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Coverage back on

Peloton at 10.00

Burghardt at 5.00

Liquigas leading the charge.

15km before the climb.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Top 5 crashes now

Gawd, VS can't stop trying to make this a comic action sport. Even their promos for the TT show crashing. What's next, promoting the podium ceremonies by showing a rider slipping on the steps?

I think there is a cabal of guys at VS who really get cycling, but they're always having to explain it to and appease the bottom feeders who run the network and prefer ultimate fighting.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Call it the NASCAR factor

Watching the race for the crashes.

by Punctured on Jul 20, 2007 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Done

We need a good name for the doping coverage.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I know what you mean

I hate those ads, as I don't like to see any crashes at all. But, bearing with them is a relatively small price to pay to be able to watch Le Tour...

by Le Comte on Jul 20, 2007 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Peloton all strung out

despite having just come thru the feed zone, they're apparently starting to chase.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

When will Vino attack?

-K-

by KevinK on Jul 20, 2007 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Watched the 8PM replay last night

A couple of points jumped out.

The Astanas are some mean mofos.

The chicken looked very tired when he was standing on the podium in the yellow. I imagine the work in the day, and the MIB controversy is weighing on him.

Finally, there is still a lot of racing left! We think a sort out has happened, but the whole race can change again.

-K-

by KevinK on Jul 20, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The race is going to undergo multiple changes

in the next 5 days.

"Ive learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead"

by Drew on Jul 20, 2007 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Montée de la Jeante

10.4 km climb @ 6.1 %

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Break is on the climb

Peloton at 6.08. Marcus Burghardt waited for them.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why are Liquigaz

driving the peloton?

by ianmcw on Jul 20, 2007 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pozzato

Thinks he can win today. He's counting on dropping the other sprinters on the climb, I think.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ahh, thanks

and re Rasmussen looking tired, I agree. I also thought Jens! looked realllly thin - even drawn, when being interviewed the other day. Its going to be the last man standing I think

by ianmcw on Jul 20, 2007 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Headwind?

How much of a headwind can there really be with all those trees?

by Scott. on Jul 20, 2007 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

piano climb

Will sanity reign? Where's Vinokourov?

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Looks like DSC is near

the front there. Maybe a day for Yaropop?

I have the best job in the world. I mean, I get paid to hurt other people!! How much better can it get? -Jens Voigt, Philosopher, 05/27/06

by Ruthann on Jul 20, 2007 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Saw him

good thought. DCS are jonesing for a stage.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pop!

Burghardt. Too much moving around apparently. No matter...

C d'E on the front, n/s which one. Huge headwind making things miserable. So of course the Astanas move up.

Boonen close to the front. He got the memo.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice rack.

[Antlers]

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

some guy

had a football helmet with about 10 feet of fake antlers on them. Just so you know.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have this fear

that I go to Alps to see a stage fulfilling a life long dream. As my favorite rider comes by the Borat guy runs in front of me. Nooooooo!

by Punctured on Jul 20, 2007 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like a sprint finish

Looks like a sprint finish. Boonen looked good on the climb.

by Markk on Jul 20, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You'd hope

given what the next few days are like. But we'll see.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soler attacks!

Yaropop there too. KOM battle reigns. Yaropop gets it. These were 3rd and 4th place points. Popovych looks like he's making an objective of the polka dots.

Wegmann and Mercado tip over, back up.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

~:> up front

riding conservatively. Here's a question -- you're generally not supposed to attack the yellow jersey if he's in a crash. But if the Chicken fell off, does Menchov go? I say yes!

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Menchov was dutifully working

for the chicken yesterday. I thought that was interesting.

-K-

by KevinK on Jul 20, 2007 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh!

well, things should change tomorrow.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least the sun isn't beating

down on them today. They all were looking really fried yesterday, after several miserable days in 90-100 degree weather.

I have the best job in the world. I mean, I get paid to hurt other people!! How much better can it get? -Jens Voigt, Philosopher, 05/27/06

by Ruthann on Jul 20, 2007 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Vino

P&P on the lookout for an attack. I'm guessing no. At this point, what he'd gain now would come out of his time tomorrow. Vino can do a TT. He should wait.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Headwind finish according

to Eurosport. Attacking into the wind would be a suicide mission. I don't think Vino wants to flame out, he wants to win. Maybe a 1 km attack for a stage win.

-K-

by KevinK on Jul 20, 2007 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Paging Cancellara

Headwind finish might make it poss for another 1 to go move from Cance.

That would be coo' :-)

by gavia on Jul 20, 2007 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cance sadly

was just off the back when I last saw him. He almost got it yesterday.

by Chilltown on Jul 20, 2007 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gap now 30"

under 5km. Another last second catch today. QS on the front.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

22 secs now

at 4km. Yeah, it could be close, but we say that every time.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Txurruka

digging way down to the bottom of his musette of courage.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

3km`

12 secs. Field sprint, these guys are coming back too fast.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The catch coming

Peloton coming up in 3... 2...

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Last km

coming now

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hincapie will win

by Burgundy and Gold on Jul 20, 2007 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

my keyboard just got taken over by Vs. Network

by Burgundy and Gold on Jul 20, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here we go

QS on the front, Boonen 3rd. Nobody challenging, just waiting for the QS move.

Dean towing Thor up.

Boonen goes, Chavanel too, Zabel on him.

BOONEN!!

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Boonen, Zabel, Hunter

nice.

by Sui Juris on Jul 20, 2007 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

huh

Boonen sat up and celebrated pretty early, didn't he?

by Sui Juris on Jul 20, 2007 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Straight line sprint

Boonen up the gut, Zabel behind him and Hunter third. Both came around in the last 20 meters, but neither with success. Zabel probably 2nd but it's close. Good comeback for the maillot vert!

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Steegmans

has shaped the TdF sprints for a couple years running now.

-K-

by KevinK on Jul 20, 2007 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sl;owly but surely

the QS train has taken over the finales. Two weeks ago nobody was deferring to them, now they are. Zabel didn't ask any of his boys to lead him out today.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Took the words right off of my fingers...

The biggest key to winning green?

Keep Gert happy.

Whether or not Tomeke "let" Gert get a stage win, he so freaking deserves it either way. The Steegmans TGV gets the most valuable worker award.

Big day for Tom and his boys.

After Hoste led Predictor to a bigger finish than any QSI riders in the spring, it must feel very nice to be dominating the sprints in Predictor's big race.

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Jul 20, 2007 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Between

Steegmans and Van Summer Ale that's a lot of Belgian beef hauling their respective sprinters around.

I would like to see a breakdown of total wattage expenditure for Steegmans, VSA, Boonen and McEwen in the last K of a sprint. The numbers would be eye popping.

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by Drew on Jul 20, 2007 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well now

That was an appropriate stage for any number of reasons. Peloton rests for tomorrow; sprint contested by the remaining sprint contestants. Boonen still the fastest. Break reeled in with 2km. All business as usual.

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Tommeke!!!!

let's all sing together "Tommeke Tommeke Tommeke"

by samboo on Jul 20, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Can someone

post the full results? Gotta do kid duty... Thanks!

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by Chris... on Jul 20, 2007 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Brief Results from CN

Results

1 Tom Boonen (Bel) Quickstep-Innergetic
2 Erik Zabel (Ger) Milram
3 Robert Hunter (RSA) Barloworld
4 Daniele Bennati (Ita) Lampre-Fondital
5 Thor Hushovd (Nor) Crédit Agricole
6 Bernhard Eisel (Aut) T-Mobile
7 Sébastien Chavanel (Fra) Française Des Jeux
8 Nicolas Jalabert (Fra) Agritubel
9 Robert Förster (Ger) Gerolsteiner
10 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Astana

General Classification

1 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank
2 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne 2.35
3 Iban Mayo Diez (Spa) Saunier Duval - Prodir 2.39
4 Cadel Evans (Aus) Predictor - Lotto 2.41
5 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 3.08
6 Carlos Sastre Candil (Spa) Team CSC 3.39
7 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 3.50
8 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 3.53
9 Kim Kirchen (Lux) T-Mobile Team 5.06
10 Mikel Astarloza Chaurreau (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 5.20

by Sui Juris on Jul 20, 2007 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs